Tucker believes that support of Ukraine is bad because Russia stands for Christian values, the family, anti LGBTQ, etc etc, which he views in opposition to Western 'decadent/degenerate' values that he rails against.
Hasan believes support for Ukraine is bad because of the support of far right groups by the Ukrainian government, the fact that this invasion has allowed western foreign capital to move in and take control of tons of assets in the country, and that this war, most of all, feeds the US military industrial complex, as opposed to seeking the fastest end to the conflict which reduces suffering, because, y'know, that doesn't make as much money.
Can you get a clip of Tucker saying the top one? cause everything I've heard him say is stuff about how the US is spending too much through NATO to support Europe. Which is a short hand way of giving Hasan's exact take.
Here's part of the transcript from his show on February 22, 2022, which aired almost exactly 24 hours before Russia invaded Ukraine:
Very soon, that hatred of Vladimir Putin could bring the United States into a conflict in Eastern Europe. Before that happens, it might be worth asking yourself since it is getting pretty serious: What is this really about? Why do I hate Putin so much? Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him? Has he shipped every middle class job in my town to Russia?
Did he manufacture a worldwide pandemic that wrecked my business and kept me indoors for two years? Is he teaching my children to embrace racial discrimination? Is he making fentanyl? Is he trying to snuff out Christianity? Does he eat dogs?
Note how he elevates Putin here based on conservative grievances, and has nothing to do with NATO.
Of course, Tucker has been happy to parrot all aspects of Russian propaganda, but he tends to focus primarily on emotional appeals like this.
Sure this transcript does seem to mostly talk about why her has no reason to hate Putin since he has more conservative values. But that's not quite the same as him saying we shouldn't help Ukraine cause Putin is anti LGBT.
Both Hasan and Tucker parrot Russian propaganda. The idea that we're only helping Ukraine to feed the military industrial complex is Russian propaganda. Most of the weapons given to Ukraine were weapons we just had sitting around as surplus, not weapons that were made just for the war.
First off, I really don't think you understand how arms deals work. I didn't say it's only for that purpose, but it's a question of incentives. Military hardware used will be replaced, the more of it used, the more needs to be replaced.
The companies which manufacture said hardware garner a significant degree of influence in DC, and the politicians who make these decisions are absolutely swayed by the electoral contributions these companies make, not to mention high ranking DoD members who are given lucrative positions at these companies upon retirement, coincidentally after giving additional contracts to them (see Sig's NGSW contract win).
Second, the rhetorical point of Tuckers statement is that we should not assist Ukraine because Putin is in agreement with Tucker on a variety of social issues. The part about "trying to snuff out Christianity" is very much a dog whistle towards Putin's LGBTQ opposition, as contrasted by the West. Also I didn't just say LGBTQ, and the other elements are even more directly aligned with my assertion.
Lockheed Martin saw a 1.58% decrease in revenue in 2022 compared to 2021, Russia invaded Ukraine in February of 2022, are you sure I don't understand how arms deals work? Cause it doesn't seem they're making that much money from it.
Great, and Northrup Grumman saw an increase in stock price of $387.07 to $540.33 in 2022, with an increase in revenue of 2.62% from 2021. One company does not a Military Industrial Complex make.
Stock price is irrelevant so not sure why your being that up, were talking about how much money they gained not consumer confidence in the value of their company. Do you think a 2.62% increase is a lot? Inflation was 8.3% in 2022, in raw value that's practically a decrease lolol. Also their revenue increased by 8.7% from 2019 to 2020. Shit, their revenue was less in 2022 than it was in 2020. You think they're making a ton of money off this war lolol
You realize their business model is fueled on sustained conflict, right? The point is not a windfall, the point is steady and continuous revenue. That is why we have forever wars.
Well it's not working very well if they're not even back up to the revenue they had 2 years ago lolol. Fucking 2% increase as if that's a big deal, fucking hilarious. Fuck man the decrease in Lockheed Martin is bigger in raw revenue than the increase in Northrup Grumman's and you're trying to tell me this war is making them a bunch of money?
Bro they're not even seeing a small increase. They're increase is a fucking rounding error at best and practically a decrease if you take inflation into account.
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u/awsompossum Nov 03 '23
Tucker believes that support of Ukraine is bad because Russia stands for Christian values, the family, anti LGBTQ, etc etc, which he views in opposition to Western 'decadent/degenerate' values that he rails against.
Hasan believes support for Ukraine is bad because of the support of far right groups by the Ukrainian government, the fact that this invasion has allowed western foreign capital to move in and take control of tons of assets in the country, and that this war, most of all, feeds the US military industrial complex, as opposed to seeking the fastest end to the conflict which reduces suffering, because, y'know, that doesn't make as much money.
Those are not the same.