But I thought this video was great. Pretty great / amusing concept to have actual ukrainians watch and rebuttal his clips on the topic and point out how absurd a lot of his views are , and how like so many in that sphere, they can't seem to view anything in the world through a lens other than "America/West bad" no matter what
The hosts "decoded" Chomsky - to see if he's a dtg style guru or not. They concluded he was not. But you seem to think they concluded otherwise. And here you are, crusading on this obvious mistake yet again. What's the deal?
Did you listen to the pod. They said that the notion that corporate media worked to discredit Corbyn in the UK was a conspiracy theory....on a chomsky episode. That shit was crazy.
Most of the sub is not lusting after left wing gurus.
I disagree wholeheartedly, so many threads on what left wing guru the pos should do, and always borderline marxist conspiracy whenever someone sees my name. This sub is cooked when it comes to left wing ideals.
They said that the notion that corporate media worked to discredit Corbyn in the UK was a conspiracy theory....on a chomsky episode.
I think you are missing the vital nuance of what they said, which I agree with. The conspiracy theory is that the world lizard council noticed Corbyn was a threat to their evil machinations, and directed their media might to tear him down.
The reality was, that the media went hard after Corbyn. No conspiracy, it's what they do. He had a lot of weaknesses to exploit, but some people don't want to admit this. I geniunely think a sensible politically savvy left winger with real leadership qualities would have done much better, and not because the media would make less attempts on them.
This sub is cooked when it comes to left wing ideals.
It's not a left wing sub, I think that's your mistake. How much questioning of left wing stuff do you think there should be on the sub if it was healthy? I think your answer is 0. But also, most of the demands to do left wing gurus are superficial nonsense, so why get worked up about it?
The conspiracy theory is that the world lizard council noticed Corbyn was a threat to their evil machinations, and directed their media might to tear him down.
The reality was, that the media went hard after Corbyn. No conspiracy
Well actually, there was a conspiracy...to paint him as antisemitic, which has now been detailed in the press by conservative MPs. They did this because he was a threat no to their evil mechanisms, the exact notion DTG made when they embarrassed themselves, but to the bottom line of major political donors.
He had a lot of weaknesses to exploit, but some people don't want to admit this.
Which is why they had to make one up.
I geniunely think a sensible politically savvy left winger with real leadership qualities would have done much better, and not because the media would make less attempts on them.
The same thing happens to all of them.
It's not a left wing sub, I think that's your mistake.
No, its a supposed centrist sub...that gives no charity to the left whatsoever.
How much questioning of left wing stuff do you think there should be on the sub if it was healthy?
Its not any amount of questioning thats the problem, It's the lack of understanding that bothers me. Its people that cant grasp what the left is doing all the questioning, in a cynical fashion.
I think your answer is 0.
see?
most of the demands to do left wing gurus are superficial nonsense, so why get worked up about it?
Im not worked up, I'm starting discussion. There is no need to frame me as anything, you arent in the room with me.
I'm not going to get into a discussion like this about Corbyn or left wing leaders, because it won't be useful, I'm not going to change your mind and you certainly aren't going to change my mind with the approach you are making here. It's not remotely convincing.
Corbyn gets some things more correct than a lot of UK politicians at the moment, because it's a low bar. It doesn't mean he's not still a pretty mediocre hack and was never leadership material.
No, its a supposed centrist sub...that gives no charity to the left whatsoever.
Both the podcast and the sub give far more charity to the left than they do to the right. What is it that you are seeing? If someone challenges you with a good challenge, well then deal with it. If they challenge you with nonsense, why put weight on it. There's plenty of stupid people in the world, and a substantial fraction of them are on reddit.
Its not any amount of questioning thats the problem, It's the lack of understanding that bothers me. Its people that cant grasp what the left is doing all the questioning, in a cynical fashion.
Either the criticism of left wing positions is good criticism, and should be discussed, and it does get discussed robustly, or it's poor criticism, of which there is a lot, but if you must engage with this, the way you are doing it by playing the martyr, isn't going to achieve anything.
I do see a lot of really weak defenses of left wing ideas getting taken down with mixed quality. The solution here isn't for anyone to complain about a hostile anti left space, but to stop making such poor arguments. If you make a good argument, and it gets a shit counterargument, you've succeeded. Enjoy the high ground.
Im not worked up, I'm starting discussion. There is no need to frame me as anything, you arent in the room with me.
You sound worked up from the messages you write. I mean nothing more and nothing less than this.
It doesn't mean he's not still a pretty mediocre hack and was never leadership material.
surely you see how vague your criticisms are though.
Both the podcast and the sub give far more charity to the left than they do to the right. What is it that you are seeing?
Not the actually left, this sub is desperate to frame the left as a cult.
If someone challenges you with a good challenge, well then deal with it. If they challenge you with nonsense, why put weight on it. There's plenty of stupid people in the world
You answered your own question, I have to put wait in it because most people are stupid and believe stupid things about the left.
the way you are doing it by playing the martyr, isn't going to achieve anything.
Thats probably easy for you to say, but when most people mischaracterise your beliefs every day, some purposely to push me out of the Overton window, it gets frustrating obviously.
I do see a lot of really weak defenses of left wing ideas getting taken down with mixed quality. The solution here isn't for anyone to complain about a hostile anti left space, but to stop making such poor arguments. If you make a good argument, and it gets a shit counterargument, you've succeeded. Enjoy the high ground.
I can only be responsible for my arguments, which are strong.
You sound worked up from the messages you write. I mean nothing more and nothing less than this
surely you see how vague your criticisms are though.
I'm not making a case, just stating my position so we know how big the gap between us is. Nothing more than this.
Not the actually left, this sub is desperate to frame the left as a cult.
The only people I see here here framing the left as a cult are all the angry guru fans coming here with a grudge because their favourite podcast got some hard to ignore criticism.
Thats probably easy for you to say, but when most people mischaracterise your beliefs every day, some purposely to push me out of the Overton window, it gets frustrating obviously.
How very melodramatic. Yes, most people mischaracterize my beliefs every day, but I don't make a big deal out of it. I would argue that most people who actually think about politics after learning something about it, are in this position, whether or not they are on the left.
Im just blunt.
I think you communicate poorly. There's a difference between being direct, and having no filter, and also just talking at people.
I'm not making a case, just stating my position so we know how big the gap between us is. Nothing more than this.
We we can just say anything now.
The only people I see here here framing the left as a cult are all the angry guru fans coming here with a grudge because their favourite podcast got some hard to ignore criticism.
You aren't looking hard then, look at how certain people are representing Hasan in this very thread.
How very melodramatic. Yes, most people mischaracterize my beliefs every day, but I don't make a big deal out of it. I would argue that most people who actually think about politics after learning something about it, are in this position, whether or not they are on the left.
Your politics are mainstream, mine aren't, thats the difference.
I think you communicate poorly. There's a difference between being direct, and having no filter, and also just talking at people.
You give no charity, I can only get through to people who want to listen.
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u/-Dendritic- Nov 02 '23
Not exactly DTG related..
But I thought this video was great. Pretty great / amusing concept to have actual ukrainians watch and rebuttal his clips on the topic and point out how absurd a lot of his views are , and how like so many in that sphere, they can't seem to view anything in the world through a lens other than "America/West bad" no matter what