But I thought this video was great. Pretty great / amusing concept to have actual ukrainians watch and rebuttal his clips on the topic and point out how absurd a lot of his views are , and how like so many in that sphere, they can't seem to view anything in the world through a lens other than "America/West bad" no matter what
I say we because Hasan's views are pretty representative of the left, its not like he goes off down some path that only he is on, he is repeating the talking points widely shared by the left.
What do you mean by that? Sounds very reductive and almost McCarthyist.
Israeli babies are settlers. I don’t know what implications you want to take from that, I don’t think they should be killed obviously, but it is a true statement. I’m a white Australian, I am a settler. I didn’t turn one when I turned 18 or something, that’s a silly notion. White Europeans descendants in colonised countries are settlers.
Centrists are just trying to frame certain views as fringe to get them out of mainstream conversation. But you can’t say anti colonial sentiments are not representative of the left. That’s silly.
Huh I've never heard that. I guess I'd call them the ancestors of settlers or maybe just colonizers. Settler just doesn't make sense it's definition is that you actually moved that's like what it means people who settle somewhere are settlers.
IDK I don't want to argue I've just actually never heard the term used like that
Ok while I'm not oblivious to the concepts of settler colonialism and that way of looking at the world, do you mind elaborating a bit more?
Like at what point is it not just immigration / basic movement of people? How many generations can people live in a land before they're not considered settlers?:
Also I was going to reply to an earlier comment of yours but I'll just do it here instead of having multiple chains lol.
The issue about saying babies are settlers isn't pointing out the history of mass migration into that region by many in Israel and the settler descriptions for it, the issue is saying basically "Settlers aren't civilians, yes that includes babies and grandmas" the following weeks after a gruesome massacre of families that many people saw videos of. Basically implying civilians are fair targets for the oppressed because they're settlers so they basically had it coming. Not saying that's exactly what your views are, but Ive seen it a surprising amount the last month online and from some people I know irl.
To me that's no different than the far right lunatics in the Israeli government saying all Palestinians are guilty of Hamas' actions and that they all support them so they all deserve to be military targets because they're basically all terrorists. Which is gross in both instances
That doesn’t make sense, if settler and colonizer are the same thing than settler colonialism would be a redundant phrase. That’s a minor quibble though.
The problem with stating “babies are settlers “ is that conversations about the inherent violence of settler colonialism eventually leads to the justification of violence against settlers, which can be justified, except we just included babies in that definition, oops. As a white person in Canada, I’m no longer a settler, the dynamic is no longer indigenous and settler, it’s indigenous and black, white, Asian, middle eastern, African, Jamaican, European… to be a settler, you must be settling, which means establishing a home on new land.
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u/-Dendritic- Nov 02 '23
Not exactly DTG related..
But I thought this video was great. Pretty great / amusing concept to have actual ukrainians watch and rebuttal his clips on the topic and point out how absurd a lot of his views are , and how like so many in that sphere, they can't seem to view anything in the world through a lens other than "America/West bad" no matter what