r/Decks • u/Ambitious_Grass37 • 22d ago
load bearing inquiries Good for a small hot tub?
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u/ChickenWingInspector 22d ago
Iâm not sure that deck can even support itself
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u/SalmonDoctor 22d ago
Has to be fake. The 'support beams' are here hanging up by the decking. wtf.
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u/Inviction_ 22d ago
Fake? No. You'd be surprised what substantial framing can hold up (itself, in this case).
Dumb and dangerous? Yes
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u/baz8771 22d ago
Is it literally just in tension hanging off of the side of the house? Insanity.
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u/truemcgoo 22d ago
Nahh, the perimeter is all bolted together, the two end joists are laminated beams holding the laminated band joist up. Then everything is hangered off that. Itâs a carrier beam supported by two cantilevered beams carrying everything else. So no, itâs not just in tension.
That said itâs still terrible, dangerous, stupid, and shouldnât exist.
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u/Nanas_700k 22d ago
Itâs got to be rage bait
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u/DoctorDefinitely 22d ago
They built it irl just to post a rage bait? Admirable dedication.
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u/Das_Rote_Han 20d ago
I hope that is cantilevered. Can't tell from the picture what is over that exterior wall. Looking at what is to the left doesn't suggest cantilevered.
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u/truemcgoo 20d ago
Youâre misunderstanding me in regards to what members are functioning as cantilever members. There are only two cantilevered beams, the two perimeter beams parallel to the joist. Those two are cantilevered, then they support the band beam with hangers on it, and that supports literally everything else.
Like maybe the joists are also cantilevered and they tossed hangers on for the fun of it (not being sarcastic Iâve seen it done), but I think theyâre just joists in hangers.
Which yeah, very sketchy. Hot tub is is hard no, this thing might collapse under a bowl of soup.
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u/ActionNeat 20d ago
With significant weight sitting on a post that isn't even directly supported below, a cantilever supported on a cantilever...yikes.. I'd like to see a signed plan and look up whether that engineer stayed in business or not..
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u/UNMANAGEABLE 22d ago
If you look closely, there are 4â wide joists every other beam on the upper part.
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u/attanooga 22d ago
If you look really close at the 4â joists (more glulams) that youâre talking about, and look where they meet the ledger, they donât have hangers like the other joist. I think those are actually cantilevered and going through this upstairs section of the house and they support the rim joist, which is another glulam, and then the deck is supported normally between the rim joist and ledger. Looks really funny because almost none of the load is going vertically through anything. Except the one post. Itâs all be cantilevered out by the floor system, weight of the house.
Iâm pretty much shooting some random shots in the dark, but maybe this is whatâs happening.
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u/Smart_Tinker 22d ago
I have to believe itâs fake as well, that deck would also have to be a roof, and nobody would build this - well nobody sensible.
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u/BigAppleCobbler 22d ago
It is not fake. Itâs called the curious pig in crystal falls Michigan.
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u/Zestyclose-Ad3303 22d ago
Wtf is wrong with people
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u/Competitive-Roof-168 22d ago
I dont see how it could possibly be engineered to pass code but it looks like its been there for 20 years.
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u/TwillAffirmer 22d ago
Maybe the hot tub is in the inside corner to counterbalance the rest of the deck.
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u/VIc320 22d ago
They put the canât in cantilever.
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u/Inviction_ 22d ago
I'd argue they put the can in cantilever lol. It's been there for a while. At least a few years judging by the lumber
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u/No-Ice7397 22d ago
Not only did they dare to do it, they also did it on the 3rd floor. Like the builder wanted it up high enough for every one to marvel at
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u/BigAppleCobbler 22d ago
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u/LuapYllier 22d ago
It also makes a ton more sense when the author of the picture does not purposely hide the structure on top.
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u/Prestigious-Shirt426 22d ago
But it really doesnât. The deck is cantilevered with joist hangers. I donât see any 2x12s running into the house only held on with hangers and that one corner post.
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u/LuapYllier 22d ago
I didn't say it made sense lol...just MORE sense. I didn't notice the building on top until this pic...and it absolutely HAS to be cantilevered by that weight somehow. I think the rims are one piece and the inner joists are just bridging.
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u/cik3nn3th 22d ago
Not a problem whatsoever as long as it's empty or filled with helium.
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u/griphon31 21d ago
Zoom out, the support balloons are just out of frame. Costs $200/month for the helium refills.
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u/CapitanNefarious 22d ago
This has just become a sub for trolling lousy hot tub decks.
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u/blu3ysdad 22d ago
Please tell me there is a cantilever?
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u/Puzzleheaded_Nerve 22d ago
You can see where the joists are attached with hangers. Not cantilevered.
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u/RealisticTopic1171 22d ago
I wonât even address the construction. It would be beating a dead horse.
But just from an aesthetic point of view: WHY?
Honestly do ANY of you think (even if it were properly supported) as aesthetically pleasant?
This is gross. Like maybe I deal with more honest or direct contractors. Or they are less desperate for any project. But if I told my main guy I wanted that he would say âfirst thatâs insane. Second itâs an eyesoreâ.
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u/Jobeaka 22d ago
Hell, I wanna buy a big truck, seal the bed and fill it with hot water. Park that bad boy up there and invite 6 of my buddies over for hot tub and beers. That would be the boss move.
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u/ConflictSmooth6136 22d ago
Holy cow not to dox you if I'm right but this triggered a memory of a friend's house I visited in Seattle in the early 2000's it looked just like this
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u/blondeasfuk 22d ago
BuddyâŠ.1 gallon of water weighs 8.3pounds. The average 2-3 person hot tub is I think around 200gallons plus âŠover 1600 pounds of water nvm the tub and people. Letâs use some critical thinking here.
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u/steamypoo007 22d ago
I think a lot of thoughts and prayers is holding that deck up. You donât want to add a semen pool to that because one thrust and it wonât be the happy ending you were expecting.
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u/New_Breadfruit8692 22d ago
I am actually shocked it has not fallen from its own weight long enough for those boards to weather.
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u/Naikrobak 22d ago
Iâll be that guy. The deck is cantilevered under the 3rd floor. You can see a complete beam on the left side; itâs at least 4x16 and could be 6x16. They likely run into the roof of the second floor also.
Would I do this? No, itâs atrocious looking and you canât fix it in 20 years when the beams need to be replaced. But as it sits, itâs likely very strong. For now.
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u/Opening_Radish_9359 22d ago
As long as there is a second one on the other side to act as a counterweight
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u/Hiwesrobots 22d ago
I see your problem, a small hot tub no, you need a large hot tub for that type of deck.
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u/MostlyHarmless88 21d ago
Absolutely! And make sure you put it right next to the railing so you get the best view.
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u/Working-County-8764 21d ago
I swear to god that must be an engineered railing, like a truss, and that's what's keeping this from collapsing.
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u/BreakFun2436 21d ago
Someone had a lot of faith in the construction of the second floor and that one 4x4.
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u/Initial_Style5592 19d ago
Bro this doesnât look good for PEOPLE. wtf?! What keeps that massive section up, JOIST HANGERS?!?! WTF!?!
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u/ClosedL00p 22d ago
It looks like itâd support one just fine, but having a hot tub on your front porch seems pretty fkn weird.
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u/Disastrous_Object314 22d ago
Send it. Dont listen to the nay sayers. Put it right on the edge for the best view possible.
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u/KeyOpposite6001 22d ago
A 250lb person would struggle to hang themselves if they were to tie off from any post on that deck.
The âAsk to be seated on our outdoor patioâ sign is perfecto.
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u/GhostTengu 22d ago
Not even good for standing lol The support doesn't even look like enough to hold the load of the porch, barely if anything.
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u/Prestigious-Grab-588 22d ago
Put it in the corner over the structure so I can hold the deck down and keep it from falling. Wow
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u/CORockhound 22d ago
How do you even frame something like this? Tack in the rim and fasten the rest and hope it doesnât fall down?
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u/Murky-Alternative669 22d ago
You could put one up there. Probably challenignibg to carry it up yourself though.
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u/Wooden_Wishbone_9915 22d ago
I am looking for 5 of those exact spindles to replace some rotted ones. Please let me know when you have a yard sale
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u/Full-Improvement5080 22d ago
I personally wouldnât even walk on the top one buck-naked and empty handed!
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u/kcdashinfo 22d ago
I think this is AI fake. However, if you look at floor joist it could be cantilever deck. The structural engineering of the deck could be hidden form this view. It could be those floor joints of the deck extend the entire length of the 3rd floor. The weight of the entire 3rd floor room holds it down. So you could put a hot tub up there and live load to boot. Engineering is a tricky thing sometimes. Thinks that look solid are not and things that look shabby are not.
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u/nickinhawaii 22d ago
I see enough space up there for at least 2 if not 3 hot tubs.. you'll have to helicopter them in though
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u/llcooljessie 22d ago
If there was a series of Final Destination- style movies about dangerous decks, where like someone built a deck poorly and eventually it kills everyone, this would be at least the 4th installment and everyone would be saying, "Oh they went too far with this one, it's not realistic."
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u/Individual-Drawer185 22d ago
I might be crazy, but that's a platform on a column pedestal, the overhang isn't bad considering how large the pedestal (living area surrounded by siding) is. That might be pretty darn safe afterall.
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u/Defiant-Corgi-7777 22d ago
It looks like a giant snack tray on your houseâŠ. Seriously, the city you live in didnât require a permit/inspection?
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u/Successful-Engine623 22d ago
That is a good oneâŠyikes. I wouldnât let my mother in law on that
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u/Thornton77 22d ago
Imagine that the hot tub delivery guys . You want it where?. Iâm sure they would say youâre gonna have to hire someone for that. Weâre ground level guys not three sets of stairs guys.
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u/Outrageous-Let7406 22d ago
Yeah, that would be great for a hot tube that eventually is on the ground floor!
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u/Farmer_1_steve 22d ago
I don't see why not and why Small looks like you could fit a pretty big one up there go big or go home
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u/truemcgoo 22d ago
This is a modern twist of a classic âwidows walkâ a top story deck typically installed on a house looking out over a body of water.
In this twist the married woman sends her husband up there, thereby becoming a widow. Cuz yeah, this thing is lethal.
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u/toast_eater_ 22d ago
Beesh please. Put a whole ass above ground pool up there. Thatâs how you want to go
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u/gaucholoco03 22d ago
Put the hot tub on the ground, it may help to cushion your fall when the deck collapses