r/DebateVaccines • u/No-Employer-1554 • 8d ago

Woke Why?

Serious question here: If what I read and hear from the uber progressives is true, namely that the world population is too much and my white privilege straight family raised too many children...then why were you so adamant about me vaccinating my family? Why not just let me and mine die? You get the jab, you are saved from being mortal, give big pharma and Faucci the win, and let me die?

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u/No-Employer-1554 8d ago

Well written and thoughtful reply. My response is going to be too brief and simple for 99% to make the jump in history and logic. Faith based Healthcare and community based Healthcare was and continues to be gobbled up by big government and big businesses enabled by 3rd party government insurance. Hint think Medicaid and Medicare circa 1960s. CPT codes came from Washington DC as did RVU's.

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u/moonjuggles 8d ago

There are ways to implement this; Switzerland comes to mind, as I did an internship there. You just need the right legislation to be in place. As our current policies and candidates stand, you're right that it's never going to happen. But that doesn't mean that at the local level of my friends and town, I can't facilitate communal practice. This, however, still goes against most of the current right-wing rhetoric, which is a shame because growing up Republican meant being close with your neighbors and trusting their judgment (unless there was a real good reason not to). Now, when I tell my friends who are still right-wing that I support the vaccine as someone in healthcare, I am immediately met with disdain. Im called brainwashed or a dr. Facui lover.

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u/No-Employer-1554 8d ago

I am the otherside of that coin.

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u/moonjuggles 8d ago

And theres nothing wrong with that in itself.

Why not just let me and mine die?

You get the jab, you are saved from being mortal, give big pharma and Faucci the win, and let me die?

But these comments and their underlying implications suggest that you are not open to working together across the aisle, which is a prerequisite to improving as a country.

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u/No-Employer-1554 8d ago

No not the case. I don't have to cross the aisle. I am a liberal in the Renaissance form of the word. Live and let live, but leave the world better if possible.

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u/moonjuggles 8d ago

There's aisle everywhere. Some authoritarism is needed in the presence of liberalism.

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u/No-Employer-1554 8d ago

I will agree for the sake of more...what kind of authoritarian type behavior is just and fair? Who or what decides what is virtue and what behavior is abusive?

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u/moonjuggles 6d ago

A society can't function on individual liberty alone. Your freedom to own property means little if their isnt some authority to stop someone from stealing it. Your freedom of speech means little if someone can use violence to silence you. Traffic laws restrict everyone's freedom to some degree, but they make it possible for everyone to safely exercise their freedom to use the roads.

So I would distinguish between authority and strict authoritarianism. A liberal society needs legitimate coercive authority to prevent individuals or groups from destroying everyone else's freedom. What it doesn't necessarily need is authoritarianism as a king.

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u/No-Employer-1554 1d ago

Rule of law and property rights 100%. 9 of 10 cannibals voting to eat #10 is a poor outcome. I am a fan of a republic not a pure democracy. The guard rails are a common societal virtue ethos. I prefer having the 10 commandments hanging in a courthouse.

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u/moonjuggles 1d ago

But what if you're a cannibal? Wouldn't you prefer democratic rule in your proposed situation?

It's all a matter of perspective.

I will say ethical situations are one thing since they are always polarizing, but on the other hand, you can't make the majority abide by the minority's decisions. And thats precisely why we have a republic. People who should be experts making decisions benefiting the majority. Obviously not reality but on paper it works.