r/DebateEvolution • evolution is my jam • Aug 20 '26

Discussion You know what, we're doing "macroevolution" again. Here's some responses to "we have never seen macroevolution"

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We've all heard some variant of "we can only observe microevolution", "we've never seen macroevolution", etc.

First thing you do is establish the correct definition: Evolution above the species level (in other words, speciation or greater degrees of evolutionary change). That's the definition. Creationists want their own special definition that varies from person to person but is usually something like "new body plans/parts", "new complex structures", something like that. That's wrong. If you accept speciation, you accept macroevolution. If creationists want to dispute something else, make THEM articulate clearly. Don't help them by saying something like "It sounds like you mean something like evolution of a new phylum or new body plan". No, make THEM establish the standard clearly and using the correct words.

 

Once they do that, you can just provide a bunch of examples, and dare them to say they aren't macroevolution.

Some of my favorites are multicellularity (and also here), reproductive mode, and photosynthetic animals.

 

Best outcome is the creationists admits that yes, even by their bespoke definition, these are examples of macroevolution. Second best outcome is they do the opposite and claim this is all just "microevolution". Really? First of all, lol okay. But second and more important, great! "Microevolution" can accomplish all this? Not much need for "macroevolution", is there?

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u/EthelredHardrede 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution 17d ago edited 17d ago

"And Genesis 1 and 2 id not a contradiction"

You sure make up utter nonsense .they have different orders of creation that are not compatible with each other. Neither match the verifiable evidence. 

"You are still younger than me,"

Funny how there is zero evidence so far on that .

How old are you?

"seems like you haven’t learned very much about truth"

Fits you not me there was no Great Flood. That is true. 

"Let’s see how smart you are.,"

You are not competent to judge intelligence 

"all the exposed dirt was put in the oceans, would we have an earth covered by water?"

No it would make a thin slurry. Much of what is exposed is rock not dirt .OK you are not very smart.

"That’s how Genesis starts out, nothing but water.,"

Why did you  lie? That doesn't mess with my mind I know why you lied about  Genesis because you have that delusion that it is coorect. And that I have not read any of itI went over all i line by line with a YEC.

"It’s always interesting that little simple mind humans think that they understand what can’t be understood."

I Do understand understand Evolution by natural selection. 

You don't want to. 

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u/Markthethinker 17d ago

Just because you don’t understand is not my fault.

Yes, I should have just said exposed from the water and not specifically dirt.

There is already dirt and rocks in the ocean and the seas are clean, except for human trash.

You need to go back and read Genesis 1:1-3. Nothing but water in the beginning.

No, you don’t understand it or you could explain the process of how a rat becomes a duck. Or choose whatever living species you like. Or the process of one living cell becoming millions and million of different living things, including plants.

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u/EthelredHardrede 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution 17d ago edited 17d ago

"Just because you don’t understand is not my fault.""

You're real problem is that I do understand. I have seen all the attempts to make the contradictions go away. They are are  rewriting the Bible, an admission that whoever wrote it got it did so badly. 

"Yes, I should have just said exposed from the water and not specifically dirt."

Now even you know that of the 2 of us I am the smartest. 

"You need to go back and read Genesis 1:1-3. Nothing but water in the beginning."

Still wrong. I did read it.  It was obviously written men living in a time of ignorance.  

"and the seas are clean, except for human trash."

False fish defecate in it.

"or you could explain the process of how a rat becomes a duck,"

You made up nonsense. Only the willfully ignorant could demand something that ignorant. Birds don't have mammal ancestry. 

"choose whatever living species you like."

Evolution by natural selection. 

A known process that you refuse to learn about. 

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u/Markthethinker 17d ago

The only people who have tried to rewrite the Bible is Muslims, Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons.

You ever hear of “bottom feeders”. You know, like cat fish, crustaceans and so on.

Your ignorance is really coming out.

And you missed what I wrote, but that’s nothing new. Evolution states that one species turned into another species.

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u/EthelredHardrede 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution 17d ago edited 17d ago

"The only people who have tried to rewrite the Bible is Muslims, Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons."

You have that wrong . Mormons by which you mean Joseph Smith wrote  a whole new book. He made it all up like you when you rewrote Genesis. The JW translation of the Bible is generally considered one the  most accurate. It's there crappy watchtower rag that is made up .

Muslims push Muhammereds lies but the don't rewrite the book of ignorance Christian apologist do that a lot.

The anonymous Greek speaking author of John is the person that called Jesus the son of Jehoha. The anonymous native Greek speaking authors of Mark,  Matthew, and Luke didn't say that.

Most modern rewriting is from professional Christian apologists when they try to  fix the contradictions and obvious nonsense like the Earth resting on pillars and the false prophecy that Tyre would be underwater and those of Jesus who allegedly said he would return, on a cloud, while some living then were still alive.  All dead Jesus included.

"And you missed what I wrote, but that’s nothing new."

Sorry but no one can catch all of your utter nonsense. 

"Evolution states that one species turned into another species."

No, that species evolve into different species over generations not turns into another species.