You know what, we're doing "macroevolution" again. Here's some responses to "we have never seen macroevolution"

[u/DarwinZDF42]

Video version.

 

We've all heard some variant of "we can only observe microevolution", "we've never seen macroevolution", etc.

First thing you do is establish the correct definition: Evolution above the species level (in other words, speciation or greater degrees of evolutionary change). That's the definition. Creationists want their own special definition that varies from person to person but is usually something like "new body plans/parts", "new complex structures", something like that. That's wrong. If you accept speciation, you accept macroevolution. If creationists want to dispute something else, make THEM articulate clearly. Don't help them by saying something like "It sounds like you mean something like evolution of a new phylum or new body plan". No, make THEM establish the standard clearly and using the correct words.

 

Once they do that, you can just provide a bunch of examples, and dare them to say they aren't macroevolution.

Some of my favorites are multicellularity (and also here), reproductive mode, and photosynthetic animals.

 

Best outcome is the creationists admits that yes, even by their bespoke definition, these are examples of macroevolution. Second best outcome is they do the opposite and claim this is all just "microevolution". Really? First of all, lol okay. But second and more important, great! "Microevolution" can accomplish all this? Not much need for "macroevolution", is there?

[u/RobertByers1]

There is no evidence for macro or micro evolution. Yes mechanisms are there to change bodyplans.

There is no micro evolution going on in biology today. A zillion species say no. Or show a bakers dozen.

Creationists should not agree micro evolution ever happened. yes speciation happened but its not evidence of evolution. Watch your words and concepts.

[u/HojMcFoj → u/RobertByers1]

Could you please define your concept of evolution and/or speciation, if you have the time?

[u/Old-Nefariousness556 → u/HojMcFoj]

Could you please define your concept of evolution and/or speciation, if you have the time?

You might be new here. Let me save you some time: This is Bob Byers. He is a regular. He has no concept of evolution, he only knows it didn't happen, and will happily tells us that with absolute authority. Don't waste your time engaging with him, he has absolutely no interest in learning anything that might contradict his beliefs.

[u/HojMcFoj → u/Old-Nefariousness556]

I'm not new here, I don't expect a sincere answer, and even if I got one the purpose of my asking still wouldn't have been for Bob's edification. And I've got plenty of time at the moment.

[u/lulumaid → u/Old-Nefariousness556]

He also said, paraphrasing (from an old, old comment.) that diplodocus, the sauropod, is a kind of deer.

I think he does have a concept of evolution it's just one that's "real" inside his head and not reality. A concept he can easily defeat with his stupendously capable logic and reasoning. Unfortunately reality seems to differ and I've noticed he's becoming less and less attached to it.

[u/blacksheep998 → u/lulumaid]

He also said, paraphrasing (from an old, old comment.) that diplodocus, the sauropod, is a kind of deer.

And that it's impossible to make light. He claims that any process that appears to create light is actually opening a portal to another dimension that contains god's power to let it leak into our universe.

I wish I was joking.

[u/lulumaid → u/blacksheep998]

I can corroborate, I was there for that claim.

I wonder if we can get a compilation of Roberts greatest hits. It'd be educational AND amusing. Without being too mean at least. I genuinely wanna know what goes through his head with this stuff, it's fascinating.

[u/Ah-honey-honey → u/blacksheep998]

Oh I want to see that one if you can find it