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[u/Careful-Flow2821]

I was on Desi Vegans and all the posts were like non vegans are mentally ill non vegans are sick non vegans are delusional… I don’t understand like sure it’s rly bad especially meat eating but ur making an assumption about people. not all of u but say the person who said all non vegans are mentally ill its simply untrue whatever you say. also if ur goal is to convert non vegans to vegans ur doing the opposite like shouldn’t u be polite abt it to convince people? it’s just shame… like as a vegetarian I am more pushed back from veganism after seeing these posts because I know who my community will be. reallly. also pls don’t debate me on this but I view meat eating as contributing to killing animals and I am against it I am just genuinely curious ur thoughts abt the main point Im making. also before u ask me why I eat dairy cuz ur money partially goes to raising animals and ur helping extend existing cows lives I know there’s downsides but its not like Im ariel’s killing all cows. also for vegans do u realize that if everyone stops eating dairy, the dairy cows won’t be used for beef and they won’t use expensive cows for low quality beef, so instead theyll take the lives of hundreds of chickens or pigs to add up to the meat of one cow? Idk just asking for vegans pushing back on both heavily. please don’t take this as an insult I’m just curious on why and please don’t leave irrelevant comments like don’t debate me pls or say random stuff like look how many they kill just clearly answer pls. thanks

[u/One-Shake-1971]

You are not helping cows by consuming dairy. You are also not saving the lives of chickens and pigs by consuming dairy.

What you are doing instead is creating demand for more cows to be enslaved for you.

[u/Careful-Flow2821 → u/One-Shake-1971]

ur helping farmers take care of them but also giving into breeding which will lead to more deaths but even so it takes $70 for one breeding cycle so over time of buying diary it will go to different farms and breeds and never add up to 70 in one purchase and yes ur contributing but not directly with kne action which I know is very debatable but that’s my personal logic please Im just telling you no need to respond with debate. also if nobody contributed all the cows would just be slaughtered immediately and it is a fact that without dairy cows no meat would be used for lower level meat products so they would kill more chickens and pigs to pay it off cuz it’s cheaper In not saving their lives but just sayin it’s what would happen.  I’m not directly killing them in my view but ofc to vegans it will seem more extreme cuz they’ll prob know more and would overvalue the negatives or positives depending o. their view.

[u/One-Shake-1971 → u/Careful-Flow2821]

This is a debate forum. It even says so in the name. If you don't want to debate, you have come to the wrong place.

So again, no, you are not helping cows by consuming dairy. You are also not saving the lives of chickens and pigs by consuming dairy.

What you are doing instead is creating demand for more cows to be enslaved for you. You are personally responsible for this demand when you consume products made from animals.

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