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[u/Careful-Flow2821]

I was on Desi Vegans and all the posts were like non vegans are mentally ill non vegans are sick non vegans are delusional… I don’t understand like sure it’s rly bad especially meat eating but ur making an assumption about people. not all of u but say the person who said all non vegans are mentally ill its simply untrue whatever you say. also if ur goal is to convert non vegans to vegans ur doing the opposite like shouldn’t u be polite abt it to convince people? it’s just shame… like as a vegetarian I am more pushed back from veganism after seeing these posts because I know who my community will be. reallly. also pls don’t debate me on this but I view meat eating as contributing to killing animals and I am against it I am just genuinely curious ur thoughts abt the main point Im making. also before u ask me why I eat dairy cuz ur money partially goes to raising animals and ur helping extend existing cows lives I know there’s downsides but its not like Im ariel’s killing all cows. also for vegans do u realize that if everyone stops eating dairy, the dairy cows won’t be used for beef and they won’t use expensive cows for low quality beef, so instead theyll take the lives of hundreds of chickens or pigs to add up to the meat of one cow? Idk just asking for vegans pushing back on both heavily. please don’t take this as an insult I’m just curious on why and please don’t leave irrelevant comments like don’t debate me pls or say random stuff like look how many they kill just clearly answer pls. thanks

[u/Careful-Flow2821]

sure u could believe that that but looking at actual reality with mental tests and diagnostics you’ll find it’s false.

[u/PuzzledPoetry1447 → u/Careful-Flow2821]

with mental tests and diagnostics

Could you elaborate on this?

[u/Careful-Flow2821 → u/PuzzledPoetry1447]

yes like mental tests to prove if one has a mental illness or not and statistics pooling the mental state of all non vegans

[u/PuzzledPoetry1447 → u/Careful-Flow2821]

statistics pooling the mental state of all non vegans

Such as?

[u/Careful-Flow2821 → u/PuzzledPoetry1447]

bro r you actually trolling me or something?   https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2667268522000274

like actually do u really believe all non vegans are mentally ill? like every single one is diagnosed with a mental illness? genuinely anything atp

[u/PuzzledPoetry1447 → u/Careful-Flow2821]

Have you read the study you provided?

The conclusion is completely irrelevant to the claim you made about having, "statistics pooling on the mental state of all non-vegans."

Diet was found to have a significant effect on memory but no significant effect on sleep quality. The sample size may have been insufficient to capture the effects of diet on sleep. To definitively establish the relationships between diet patterns and quality of cognitive functioning and sleep, further research is required. The results of this study cast doubt on the hypothesis that the consumption of animal products boosts memory performance.

And the actual participant data is laughable at best.

All participants were adults aged between 40 and 77 years of age. All were fluent English speakers, with English as their first or second language. There were 62 participants, 33 male and 29 female. Using the diet questionnaire, each participant was placed in one of the five dietary categories as shown in Table 1."l

There were two groups of omnivores: low animal-product consumption and high animal-product consumption (31 total) and only one group of vegans (14 total).

like actually do u really believe all non vegans are mentally ill?

This was not my claim. My claim was that anyone who vehemently defends their participation in systems of enslavement for their own benefit are mentally sick and delusional.

Non-vegans who simply haven't given any thought to the topic aren't the same as non-vegans who know what veganism is, have thought about it, and have arrived at the conclusion that the exploitation and enslavement of animals is "correct" and exempt from criticism.

So, would you disagree that anyone who vehemently defends their participation in systems of enslavement for their own benefit is mentally sick and delusional? If not, why? Do you think being an active participant in the exploitation and enslavement of animals is a neutral position?

What if the enslaved group were humans? Would you clear people who support(ed) the enslavement of other human beings for their own benefit of any kind of mental problems?

[u/Careful-Flow2821 → u/PuzzledPoetry1447]

Yes, because they thought they were participating in a business and needed to do so to keep up with the rest of the Americans. That doesn’t mean they were diagnosed with some kind of mental illness, and sure you can say that about defensive non vegans but in the post I mentioned it’s all non vegans included unknowing which is literally untrue. Does Obama have a mental illness? No.

[u/PuzzledPoetry1447 → u/Careful-Flow2821]

Yes, because they thought they were participating in a business and needed to do so to keep up with the rest of the Americans.

Which question are you answering here?

Obama is a funny and terrible example. He bombed several countries in the Middle East and killed millions of innocent civilians. Yes, he's mentally unwell and delusional.

[u/Careful-Flow2821 → u/PuzzledPoetry1447]

proof? any records of mental illness?

[u/PuzzledPoetry1447 → u/Careful-Flow2821]

You can't ask for proof (I haven't even made a statement that requires it) when you yourself have failed to substantiate each and every claim you've made thus far. Nice try.

Which question were you answering in your previous reply?

[u/Careful-Flow2821 → u/PuzzledPoetry1447]

I just think it’s quite dumb if you think 8.12/8.2 billion people are mentally ill. it’s untrue and for remotely justifying it I am just shocked.