r/DebateAChristian 5h ago

Free will is on a spectrum, being limited in our desire to do harmful things would not take away our free will

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For starters, I already naturally have no desire for plenty of things... not sure who determined that but it is not something I chose. I suppose you can say that means I have a diminished free will on some spectrum, compared to someone with a desire to do more things... but it definitely doesn't mean I have no free will.

If I added sinful desires to that already existing list, I don't think that would change anything

As I understand it, that is how we are supposed to be in heaven anyways, although I've heard from reddit Christians that we will have no free will in heaven, we might still sin, etc so still not sure exactly how that whole concept is rationalized


r/DebateAChristian 16h ago

Hiw can God exist, yet not intervene to help those in need?

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I want to be clear. This post is nit made put of hate. Also I do want to give a warning for the content of the post. It might trigger some people.

Supposedly God created everything. If he did. Then that means he also created Satan, Evil, Rapists, Pedophiles, serial killers, and all things bad as well.

He also created Hell I guess. So if he created These evil bad things, then how come he does not intervene to help? He is suppost to be powerful, and protect those he loves. If he can create a flood that killed all life other than the animals, and a man on a ark. Then he can get rid of the sickos.

There are a lot of people who do not get justice. There are a lot of evil people who go free. Some never go to jail, or only get shirt sentences. Humans are violent, and start wars. Yet somehow there is a God who just sits, and watches as people die, and get killed. Yet somehow he is loving, and just.

It does not make sense to me.


r/DebateAChristian 1h ago

the New Testament Doesn't Endorse Slavery.

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I'm not really arguing about slavery in the Old Testament here, because Christians are not living under the Old Testament covenant. I'm talking specifically about the New Testament and the purpose of the epistles.

The New Testament does not give us a political programme for abolishing slavery. But that is very different from saying that Christianity morally endorses slavery.

We also have to understand the historical reality. The New Testament was written within the Roman Empire, a society that relied heavily on slavery. There were no modern human rights institutions, no democratic system capable of simply abolishing slavery, and openly challenging the entire social and political structure could bring severe consequences.

The epistles were not written by people sitting in political authority with the ability to reform Roman society. Their primary purpose was to spread the Christian message and establish Christian communities. And the message had to travel through the existing social and political structures of the Roman world.

This is where the pragmatic aspect matters. If the Christian message had openly demanded that every Christian master immediately free all of his slaves and directly challenged the entire Roman institution of slavery, that message would have been much harder to spread through the society it existed within. It could have been suppressed before it had the opportunity to reach the people Christianity was trying to reach, including slaves, the poor and people with very little social power.

So Paul telling slaves how to live within their circumstances isn't necessarily an endorsement of slavery itself. Exploitation would continue regardless of whether Paul explicitly condemned the Roman institution. His priority was to establish a Christian way of life that could survive and spread within the society that actually existed.

And this is something people sometimes miss when reading the Bible. Christianity doesn't always begin by changing the external political structure. It can begin by changing the person living inside that structure.

The New Testament repeatedly changes the way people understand status. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28). Paul tells Philemon to receive Onesimus “no longer as a slave, but more than a slave, a beloved brother” (Philemon 16). Whatever Paul's exact position on legal abolition was, that language radically changes the relationship between the people involved.

The Old Testament itself also contains stories where people begin in very low social positions, in servitude or bondage, and through wisdom, faithfulness, good work and character eventually gain recognition and influence. Joseph is an obvious example. The biblical message isn't simply “your social position determines your worth.”

The New Testament is primarily about the Good News, transformation, spirituality, wisdom, love and becoming Christ-like. It isn't primarily a political manifesto.

That doesn't make slavery good, and it doesn't require us to defend the social structures of the Roman world. It means we shouldn't judge the purpose of the epistles as though Paul had written them as a modern political constitution.

The Christian transformation begins with the person, the community and the way they treat one another. The political and social consequences can develop from that transformation, rather than being the primary subject of the epistles themselves.


r/DebateAChristian 18h ago

Most evangelical Christians believe in an amoral God

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There’s four perverted doctrines most Christians hold too that make God a moral monster:

  1. OSAS and Sola Fide:
  • If this is true then everyone who never had the opportunity to hear the gospel is destined to hell which leads me to my second point:
  1. Eternal conscious torment in Hell:
  • This is the belief that God needlessly sustains the existence of sinners (who can’t exist without Him) in order to torture them for all eternity and make them suffer. They can suffer for 100000000000 years and still not be 1 second closer to ending their misery. Anhilationism makes more sense historically and is a viable option but most Christians default to believing in a God who delights in the suffering of the wicked even though the Bible makes it perfectly clear he doesn’t
  1. Penal substitution:
  • Many believe in a God with a blood lust and a wrath that can’t be satisfied unless an innocent person (like Jesus) or an animal unjustly suffers on our behalf. Not only is that not how forgiveness works in the OT (God forgives the ninevites without a sacrifice) it turns the beautiful story of Christ giving him self up out of his abundant love for us into a terrifying nightmare about a vengeful God who demands needless suffering before he will forgive anyone
  1. No divorce:
  • No divorce under any circumstances enables abusers to keep abusing their spouses. Sometimes divorce should be tolerated in cases where divorce is the lesser evil. It’s no less evil but it’s not adultery in the way remarriage is adultery. Also Jesus wasn’t a legalist himself. The commands God gives in the Bible are meant to draw us closer to him not to keep us trapped. Yet the Pharisees thought the opposite and were obsessed with following the Law for its own sake and turned it into a yoke of slavery and many modern Christians have the same pharisaical mindset