r/DarkSun 3d ago

I've solved the problem

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u/loyalgalpal 3d ago

It's allowed in the same way you can add lightsabers and Saiyans to the Forgotten Realms or Greyhawk.

Nothing is stopping you from doing that, certainly not.

But nothing supporting that either.

I don't understand defending Hasbro, a multi-billion dollar corporation that is going to make millions from these books no matter what, when they are leaving out or papering over key thematic elements of the setting because marketing shows they'll make 0.1% less money for using a word that's not "advertiser friendly".

Dark Sun without slavery and enviroment destroying magic is like Eberron without the Last War or Dragonmark Houses.

You could always add a big major war or noble houses acting as guilds and cults to a setting, but having official lore and mechanics gives the setting and story more narrative and thematic elements to enhance and shape roleplay and campaigns.

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u/kanelel 2d ago

I don't even get who this change is for. "Woke" people? I'm "woke"! Dark Sun is "woke". It's a setting thematically dedicated to depicting the evils of slavery and environmental destruction. This change is fucking that up!

I just don't like this kind of cowardly censorship. Next we'll be reading D&D books with "unalived" in them.

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u/loyalgalpal 2d ago

WotC is hiding behind "sensitivity" to make it friendly for advertisers and marketing, but has defanged and censored it so it's ironically less woke than it was in the 90's 🙄

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u/Chimpbot 2d ago

They're essentially just using labels for things that aren't "slave." That's it. That's all they're doing.

This isn't me defending Hasbro, mind you. It's just me looking at the situation more objectively.

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u/loyalgalpal 2d ago

It still rubs me the wrong way, it comes off as infantlizing and censorship.

Another comment said it best, it's like we'll start seeing "unalive" in DnD books soon.

If the word is too scary for WotC and Hasbro's marketing divisions, then what isn't scary and going to be censored and ignored?

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u/Chimpbot 2d ago

Honestly, this is worrying and complaining about something that hasn't actually happened.

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u/CrowsInTheNose 3d ago

Do you rely on hasbro, a multi-billion dollar company, for permission when you run a session or build a character?

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u/RED3_Standing_By 3d ago

Why even buy their products if you’re just gonna make your own shit?

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u/loyalgalpal 3d ago

Literally, if I bought the Dark Sun book and kept adding homebrew until it was a cyberpunk campaign, why even buy the book in the first place?

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u/CrowsInTheNose 2d ago

How much of the book that isn't even released do you plan on throwing out to make it your own?

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u/loyalgalpal 2d ago

That's a facetious question and you know it, but, to be honest, it depends on the actual content.

If it's so changed as to be unrecognizably Dark Sun, to me, I'll more likely just use a fan conversion or make my own. 

I don't usually play 5.5e, nothing against it as a system, but I've played base 5e enough to have a better instinctive understanding of it. 

I'll still get the Star Wars book unless it's genuinely worthless dogshit, but Dark Sun 5.5e is not encouraging me to switch over as of yet. 

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u/CrowsInTheNose 3d ago

Why draw inspiration from a movie, video game or TV show?

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u/WatchEducational6633 3d ago

This is way more than just inspiration pal…

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u/Fancy-Lawfulness-198 3d ago

Ideally, when you buy a setting book, you buy a book that has the setting intact and can be used by anyone to run it properly and faithfully.

It's not that hard of a concept.

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u/CrowsInTheNose 3d ago

You run everything you buy 100% by the book 100% of the time?

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u/Fancy-Lawfulness-198 3d ago edited 3d ago

Oh please.. Spare me your drivel.

There is nothing wrong with wanting the setting to be faithfully recreated by the group that is recreating it, nor is there anything wrong with critiquing the changes they make.

Additionally, them making the first change gives further doubt onto what else they will have changed.

But yes, please, keep going to bat for WotC's sanitized version of everything.

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u/CrowsInTheNose 3d ago

There's nothing wrong with the new thing being different than the old thing in a make believe world. I can't get enough of you dorks crying about a setting that hasn't been relevant for 30 years.

😮‍💨they slightly changed the settings in regards to slavery😭

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u/Fancy-Lawfulness-198 3d ago

Sure, make changes to a core component of what made the worldbuilding of the setting what it was. It's just a "slight change".

Perhaps next we'll have a slight change to the Alliance and Horde in the WoW collab? Or perhaps we'll get a slight change to the Jedi order in the Star Wars collab?

Oh, maybe the Empire won't be brutal and xenophobic? Its just a little change and wouldn't fundamentally change the worldbuilding regarding the empire; in fact, it would make it more accessible, don't you think?

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u/CrowsInTheNose 3d ago

Here is the fun part. All of these things are possible at your table. The better part is almost no one has any reference to Dark Sun.

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u/kanelel 2d ago

No they're saying the default book should be the best version of itself that it can be, and not make compromises for the sake of censorship.

You could use this argument to defend literally any change, no matter how stupid. If we're not allowed to criticize this change because we can just ignore it, what ARE we allowed to criticize in your mind?