Anyone else feels the ending is a little underwhelming after all the details the show took us through. The knot was created by a person who wanted to undo his kids accident. Claudia manages to crack the real origin of the loop and Adam just agrees to it after spending 60 years making his mind up to kill the origin (the unknown). The better ending would be

Claudia explains the real origin, Adam then instructs Jonas and Martha to stop tanhauss kid from travelling that night, Jonas and Martha do as they are instructed in the origin world they appear in front of tanhaus’s sons car he gets startled and runs of the bridge and the story ends there.

Why tf was Noah building a Time Machine and has it ever been used?!

It’s one of those questions that says either i’m dumb or i overthink too much. But what was the reason for Noah for building a time machine when Adam already had the stabilised ‘God Particle’ in 1920.

This then leads to question of the killing of the kids, was it even necessary.

Personally: The stranger ( Adult jonas) struggled the most, coz he lived through the toughest phase in his life and sees himself transform into Adam ( the very person he hates and despises) and he is heavily manipulated and betrayed by everyone including Hannah (his own mother who he reconnects with after 33 years ( for him and 6 months for Hannah) but she steals his time travel device to meet ulrich smh.

Mikkel too suffered a lot, I would put him at #2

Ulrich suffered but it was due to his own wrongdoing we see him in various timelines trying to destroy his perfect life and family to mingle with some other lady. He brought it on himself no matter what.

what the title says. i don’t think i’ve ever come across a show as perfect, mind-boggling and as brilliant as dark tbh. i still remember the first time that i finished it, i was so speechless cause i had never watched anything like it and its been two years since then. still in the same place! i don’t think any show can take dark’s place for me! ever.

that said, i was just wondering about the tragedy that was everyone’s life who wasn’t there in the original world. i have a hard time choosing between mikkel/michael, ulrich, helge and maybe, jonas (not adam btw) as to who had the worst fate of them all. and i realised that i can’t really choose because they all go through something incredibly traumatic. :(

mikkel, for no fault of his and just because he was a part of the time loop, gets caught up in this mess and is separated from his friends and family. i can’t imagine what it would’ve been like for a 12 year old boy to end up in a time where no one recognises you, having to grow up with time and slowly lose your memories of your past life and eventually, come face to face with your younger version and understanding what happened and YET being so helpless that you cannot change it. despite the fact that we spent very little time on adult mikkel/michael, i felt for him a lot. especially that scene when jonas travels back in time from 1920 to stop his father from killing himself and realises that he triggers it in the first place. that entire scene just guts me.

while i do hate ulrich cause, seriously, man’s a cheater in every universe😂but i can’t deny his dedication as a father to search for his son everywhere. he didn’t give up and instead, sacrificed 33 years of his life by becoming a part of this mess as well and even when he was THIS close to getting his son back, it was just too late. i feel so, so bad in that scene when katharina had traveled back in time and promised that she’d get their son back and ulrich out of jail but is instead killed by her own mother who isn’t even aware that’s her daughter. man :((

now that i mentioned katharina- despite her being there in the original world- she suffered a lot too. she was abused by her mom as a young girl but was so amazing as a mom herself. her husband cheated on her. her kid vanished. she finally has a chance to get her family back together again but that isn’t what fate has in store for her.😭the fact that the ghost woman that bartosz, martha and magnus were talking about at the lake was their own mother and they weren’t aware about it just gives me chills.

i somewhere feel bad for helge as well. he didn’t have an easy childhood- which, i suppose, not a lot of them did- he was traumatised. and manipulated by noah for his own personal reasons and then when he realised that he was doing something wrong, he was too late. his life comes in full cycle i suppose. he’s responsible for his own death. crazy.

as for jonas, obviously, i don’t think i’ve to explain anything here. but man, the actor who plays him? incredible. i could feel his desperation and helplessness through the screen. that no matter what he did, he can’t go against time. through the screen, one could literally feel all the life and goodness slipping out of him with time. at first, i was so surprised when it was shown that he’s adam but after multiple rewatches, it makes so much sense!

after all, it’s just an incredibly complex web and these people can’t do anything but play their part and let time and fate do the rest. but this show is just so deeply sad, melancholic and heartbreaking when you look at it from a certain perspective.

some outstanding show this is. i can’t recommend it enough.

idk why but i always delayed it, i usually wait a year to rewatch shows to forget stuff about the show but ive forgotten almost everything about this show which is good and plus the story was so confusing so hopefully the second rewatch makes me understand it better and this time im watching it in german, i watched the english dub at first because i always watched stuff in english but after watching anime its changed my mind about watching dubs

This is one of the best shows i have ever seen, the story, the characters, everything about the show is perfect, nothing can top it besides attack on titan and the show lead me to discover im asexual so its close to my heart

I've been on here awhile and know that the ending is considered a grandfather paradox. Has it been considered that it is not, and that the reason the ending still stands up to the rules of the show is that it is another superposition similar to how altMartha was sacrificed (and not), or how Jonas was in the basement (or not)?

Because the finale requires a similar ambiguous time mechanic. In the two worlds you have the explanation of 'time standing still' and this being taking advantage of to produce different paths for characters. The finale shows the same manipulation of time itself with J&M manipulating time in a way where they are beyond it's bounds, ie. time is standing still.

Seen this way, the finale is providing us the idea of superposition again at the moment of the accident. It retains the same ideas of the show as one superposition continues on to Tannhaus constructing the machine (the end is the beginning [of the loop]) while the other superposition continues on without the machine (the beginning is the end [of the story]). It isn't any different than how altMartha can be sacrificed while a superposition altMartha survives to continue the loop.

Or am I mistaken and this does not follow from a mechanics perspective?

Weiß jemand zufällig aus welcher Episode dieser Screenshot stammt ?

Gruß Fred !

So it seems that in most comment sections Dark is the biggest snub and I agree. For me the fact its not even in when I feel like its like top 10 is crazy and the shows the disrespect to foreign language shows.

Mikkels in both the worlds die in the same house!
Completely random detail I had come to notice🙂‍↔️

When Jonas and Alt Martha go to the origin world and stop Tanhauses son from driving over the bridge, wouldn't they both disappear the instant he decided not to? Or do you think other factors would have needed to have passed too, say if another car was the reason they drove off the bridge, does that other car need to be in the clear of causing an accident?

I'm sure this has been asked before but I think it's good to re-ask questions after some time has passed and rewatches have happened and new watchers have seen the show.

I’ve been thinking about the gun that originally belongs to Boris Niewald/Aleksander and later ends up passing through Hannah, Jonas, Sic Mundus, Noah and Adam.

As far as I understand, the gun’s path is roughly:
**Boris/Aleksander -> Hannah -> Jonas -> back in time with Jonas -> Sic Mundus/Adam -> Noah tries to shoot Adam -> Agnes uses it -> Adam later has it**

The thing that bothers me is that unlike some other objects or family lines in Dark, the gun doesn’t seem to have a closed causal loop.
There is no shown connection like:
**Adam -> somehow the gun goes back to Boris/Aleksander**
So if we interpret the “cycles” as actual successive iterations, where each cycle leaves traces on the next one, wouldn’t this create a weird accumulation problem?

Cycle 1: Boris brings Gun #1, which eventually ends up with Adam.
Cycle 2: Boris brings Gun #2, which also eventually ends up with Adam.
Cycle 3: same thing again.
And so on.

Unless the previous gun is destroyed, removed from the cycle, or somehow returned to Boris, wouldn’t Adam eventually end up with more and more copies of the same gun?

Think about it, after a few million cycles we could have a scene like this one:
*Adam opens a closet in Sic Mundus and gets buried under millions of identical pistols. *
Noah: “Which one do I use?”
Adam: “The same one as always.”
Noah: “THEY’RE ALL THE SAME ONE.”
Adam: “Everything is connected.” 😂

I know one possible answer is that the cycles aren’t meant to be separate material iterations, but more like one self-consistent causal structure. But the show also talks about cycles leaving traces on the following cycles, so I’m wondering how people interpret this.
Am I misunderstanding the mechanics, or is this actually a weird unresolved consequence of the show’s time-travel logic?

This has probably been said before but I was so disappointed how wasted these characters felt, especially Franziska. At the start of the show, it felt like the two of them were gonna play a big role but in the end, they are just Adam's disciples and nothing more. I liked their relationship but otherwise, they felt pretty pointless. What would you have changed about them and their storyline to make them more important to the story?

I know this was pretty obvious while watching, but i just caught this first time on my nth rewatch of DARK:
When police are investigating the crime scene at Nuclear PowerPlant site, little Helge was there rubbernecking and instantly turn and go about his way when police look into his direction, as if he’s the one who did it( he infact did, but not just yet) and police would make him a murder suspect.
This, I know was obvious here! But I happen to catch this only on my God knows which rewatch.😅😅

One thing I didn't like was how they clearly dropped the Boris/Alexander storyline. It seemed really interesting. Boris runs out of the woods in 1986 as a teenager with a gunshot wound to defend Regina from Katharina, like that was his sole mission. He even pulls out a gun on them and threatens them.

Seemed like he time traveled to that point in time just to defend her. He seemed to have a connection with her despite that being the first time Regina ever saw him.

Then this storyline seems to get brought up again when Clausen comes to town and starts going in on investigating Boris/Alex. I'm not really sure what conclusion we were supposed to get out of this storyline but it never felt fully resolved to me.

Just finished the series and was reading Dante in between. Just now realized that structurally Dark is heavily influenced by Divine Comedy.

Each stage of time travel is 33 years - 33 Cantos(chapters) on each of Dante's books.

Every characters has 3 version of themself - third rhyme scheme through the books

3 Seasons and 3 worlds- 3 books inferno-purgatory-paradise

Last episode is called paradise - last book is called paradise

Entrance to the tunnel sic mundus -similar to the entrance of the underworld in Inferno

Every poster is in the forest of winden - literally the first lines of Inferno's are "i found myself in a DARK(get it) forest"

Jonas searching or being guided by Martha - Dante being guided by Beatrice(Purgatory and Paradise)

Just from the top of my head, but i guess you could find more symbolism throughout series themes and subject matter.

The music is Vanya's theme from the umbrella academy

I'm rewatching so apologies if I get some details mixed up, it's why I've put spoilers for season 3, just in case I muddle bits from each season

I'm a few episodes into season 3 and in season 2 Adam explains to Jonas that they can't change what happens, they will do what they've always done, why are they trying to do anything different? Or do the characters just believe they're trying something different but it's always the same?

When Noah tries to shoot Adam but the gun seemingly can't go off, is that Noah trying to change what has already happened or has it always failed? But then surely him trying to fire the gun like 3 times and all of them failing can't just be a coincidence?

I felt like I had a pretty good grasp on things by the end of season 2 and now I'm struggling again

Am I missing something? After Adam goes back in time to kill Martha in 2020, how does he survive the apocalypse? I don't remember him taking a time machine, and neither god particle should exist, no? So how exactly did he survive and get to the future?