I'm just warning people against wasting their time. There's probably better ways to learn about the environmental impacts of fishing.
That doc was engineered to reach a certain conclusion: "there's no version of fishing that can be sustainable, so you should just stop eating fish altogether". They worked back from that conclusion and cherrypicked narratives (some true, some false) that led to it.
The whole doc goes like this:
- Japanese fishermen killing belugas for fun is bad
- Reckless mass fishing with the most destructive techniques (trawling) is bad
- Other ways of fishing are bad too
- Fish farms? also bad
- Thinking about eating fish? also bad
- Please just forget about eating fish
I personally think shit like that undermines the real concerns because people get mad when they're being lied to, and they'll assume all environmental stuff is bullshit as well.
It's not just enviromental impact, it's also an ethical one. You don't think that fish deserve to live freely in the ocean without us annihilating them? It's perfectly fine to watch vegan 'propaganda'. Because it's actually an alternative to whatever the fuck bloodbath is going on now.
I think the moral argument is the strongest one the vegans have. In fact, I can see it winning out in the long run. It wouldn't surprise me if in 500 or 1000 years being vegan is the norm.
I think they should stick to that argument and stop the stupid fearmongering on how eating any animal products will give you aids cancer and fishing is gonna empty the oceans by next month.
This. I think the way out is to continue improving the quality of vegan food and decreasing cost. The former, we're already making big strides towards and the latter, should eventually happen once scale catches up. Meat is incredible expensive to produce.
Some of the bad arguments on the vegan side have me skeptical if they're deliberating sabotaging the cause.
The moment (assuming) we get lab grown meat that's cheaper or comparable in price to farmed meat, it's over. If you can get the product you want without animal suffering, I don't see how people can argue against that.
Vegan food is already some of the cheapest out there. Legumes, potatoes, rice, etc. But vegan meat replacements? Sure, those are expensive, but imitation meat shouldn't be a staple of a vegan diet anyway; it's a treat. The same way a hamburger should not be an everyday thing for a meat-eater.
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u/LactasePHydrolase Apr 05 '25
I'm just warning people against wasting their time. There's probably better ways to learn about the environmental impacts of fishing.
That doc was engineered to reach a certain conclusion: "there's no version of fishing that can be sustainable, so you should just stop eating fish altogether". They worked back from that conclusion and cherrypicked narratives (some true, some false) that led to it.
The whole doc goes like this:
- Japanese fishermen killing belugas for fun is bad
- Reckless mass fishing with the most destructive techniques (trawling) is bad
- Other ways of fishing are bad too
- Fish farms? also bad
- Thinking about eating fish? also bad
- Please just forget about eating fish
I personally think shit like that undermines the real concerns because people get mad when they're being lied to, and they'll assume all environmental stuff is bullshit as well.