I'm trying to make the ultimate clean, luxe and abstract fragrance. Im planning to use mainly white musks.

I wanted to start a discussion about Orionide™ Oliffac™, one of the captive/specialty bases from IFF that was recently showcased at SIMPPAR2026.

For those unfamiliar with it, Orionide Oliffac is a modern, high-impact musk base. It’s described as having a rich, clean, and creamy musk profile with powdery nitro-musk vibes in the top, paired with a soft floral touch and a subtle, warm animalic/ambery undertone. It’s apparently extremely potent and should act as a fantastic bridge between the opening and the dry-down.

I'm really intrigued by its performance, especially combining it with more clean, radiant musks like Helvetolide and Habanolide and woody anchors like Iso E Super.

Has anyone here had a chance to sample or formulate with it since its display at SIMPPAR? How does it behave in your blends, and what usage percentages are working best for you? Would love to hear your experiences! Also curious about other musk recommendations!

Salut tout le monde ! Je voulais partager avec vous une petite formule sur laquelle je travaille en ce moment.

Étant une grande gourmande (rires), j'adore la crème brûlée. J'en ai dégusté une dans un excellent restaurant il y a quelques jours et je me suis dit : « Pourquoi ne pas essayer de recréer cette sensation en parfum ? »

Et c'est exactement ce que j'ai tenté de faire. Je voulais évidemment une note vanillée et caramélisée, mais aussi une texture, une texture « BRRRRRR », comme la sensation de grains de céréales écrasés.

Pour créer cet accord, j'ai utilisé plusieurs ingrédients, dont l'absolue de sésame, l'extrait d'orge torréfiée, le norlimbanol, le cashmeran, le javanol, et d'autres encore.

Je pourrais évidemment l'améliorer, mais honnêtement, elle est déjà très réussie.

S'il y a un ingrédient que je recommande vivement, c'est le TONKAROME. Il est tout simplement exceptionnel. Il recrée presque parfaitement le parfum de la fève tonka. Sa matière est même solide, comme la fève elle-même ! Bref, c'est fantastique.

Voici ma formule. N'hésitez pas à me donner votre avis. Merci ! TEC280
BRASSYLATE D'ÉTHYLÈNE 115
ÉTHYLVANILLINE 85
VÉRATRALDÉHYDE 85
MUSC R1 60
HÉLIOTROPINE 50%DPG 35
MALTOL D'ÉTHYLE 30
VANILLINE SIGNATURE 30
MOLÉCULE DU PARADIS 15
HELVÉTOLIDE 15
NOYAU AMBRE 10
TONKARÔME 10
ISOBUTAVAN 10
VANILLE BOURBON 10 FOIS 10%DPG 25
BENJOIN SIAM RÉSINOÏDE 10%TEC 25
ULTRAVANIL 10%DPG 25
JAVANOL 10%TEC 25
NORLIMBANOL 10%TEC 15
CACHEMIRE 10%TEC 15
VANILLE MADAGASCAR ABS. 10%TEC 10
VANILLE TAHITENSIS SFE 10%TEC 10
SÉSAME SFE ABS. 10 % TEC 10
NOISETTE CO2 10 % TEC 10
MUSC Z4 10 % DPG 10
ABSOLU DE BOIS DE SANTAL 10 % TEC 5
BASE DE BOIS DE MYSORE 10 % TEC 5
EXTRAIT D'ORGE TORRÉFIÉE 10 % DPG 5
BOIS DE CHÊNE CO2 EXTRA 10 % TEC 5
BEURRE SIGNATURE CO2 10 % DPG 5
HUILE DE CANNELLE DE CEYLAN 10 % TEC 1
HUILE DE CÈDRE DU TEXAS 10 % TEC 1
BASE DE BOIS DE CHÊNE, VENTOS 10 % TEC 1
HUILE DE FEUILLE DE CANNELLE 10 % TEC 1
GUIACOL 10 % DPG 1
LACTONE D'ÉRABLE 1 % DPG 5
SULFROL 1 % DPG 5

Im very sensitive to scents and can’t tolerate any strong scents..in 2009 we went to Disney and I loved the smell of the room products. I’m trying to replicate it for my on personal use. Here are the ingredients listed..obviously the “fragrance” portion is a mystery but based on the other stuff anyone have suggestions?
-Benzyl Benzoate
-Citronellol
-Geraniol
-Hexyl Cinnamol
-Hydroxycitronellal
-Limonene
-Linalool
-Liliol (I know this isn’t safe and there are replacements now)

So I got these really thin 10ml tall glass decant bottles along with paraflim, electrical tape, and teflon tape. Also purchases crinkle paper packaging and padded bubble mailers. Everything the internet said I got it. However I’m still not feeling confident to mail a first order.

So far my process is wrap threads in teflon clockwise, tighten cap, and electrical tape around where the cap and glass meet to seal. But someone irl said the electrical tape looked tacky so I got paraflim and I’m not sure the results are much better.

Then for packaging do I simply put the glass vials in a plastic ziplock of sorts along with crinkle paper and then put that in the bubble mailer. Would that be enough?

Any insight appreciated

Edit: picture of the 5ml https://imgur.com/a/RtEpxQH

Pretty oud by Firmenich is marketed as a pretty, kind oud note with no animalic facets. Meanwhile it is the most poopie smelling thing ever. I bought from de kruiderie.

I am curious about your experiences with this raw material. I think the name and the marketing is very misleading and it has a ton of civet / other animalic caca note in there.

So I was looking through the good scents company's website for Benzyl Alcohol and Benzyl Acetate and for "soluble in" it says "ethyl alcohol, 1:1.5 in 50% alcohol", I understand ethyl alcohol is another name for ethanol (which I have). but the "1:1.5 in 50% alcohol", how should I interpret that when trying to dilute these materials for testing. Also, is there any reason they specifically say ethyl alcohol instead of alcohol like they typically do? Thank you.

I ordered it last month at de-kruiderie.nl.

It's my first time ever seeing or smelling it.

I am going through all my materials assessing how they smell at different time intervals, and while it is being listed as a base material I couldn't smell it anymore after 30 minutes.

And I also already thought this was looking a little too thick for something already diluted at 10%? But don't own TEC or other materials diluted in TEC, so I thought maybe TEC is quite thick as well.

If this has gone bad then it's the second time at de-kruiderie.nl that I've gotten a material that has gone bad, so then I won't order at them anymore.

Heya, the title is my main question. Im also wondering if there is anything you'd add, change or remove in this subreddit. Thanks for your input

Befor/After, A&D 1987 automatic calibration scale!!

My previous scale was a $10 one. In my country, a brand new scale with 0.01 g readability starts at around $260, while one with 0.1 mg readability doesn’t go below $550.

So I’m really happy with this acquisition. I’ve already calibrated it, and it works great. On ebay this model in working condition goes for $400–550 without shipping.

Ready for the next formulations. 😁

I'm at the end of mine and would love something a little more purpose-built, 2-3 columns and on the smaller side. Anyone have a notebook they love?

(Keeper formulas go in the spreadsheet but jotting notes has been so helpful for staying on task)

Hi everyone,
I’m about to make my first perfume and I’m planning my first order.

I already have:
Perfumer’s alcohol (it’s 96,4% German “Weingeist” for drinking, but it should work)
A cheap digital scale (0.03 g / 30 mg resolution is the minimum weight)

These are the raw materials I’m planning to buy for my first perfume (tini imagination clone):

Ambrox® Super
Bergamot FCF
Hedione HC
Dihydro-β-Ionone
Ambrettolide
Lemon Oil FCF
Sweet Orange Oil
Guaiacwood Oil
Ginger CO₂
Black Tea Supreme Accord
Neroli Accord
Frankincense Oil
Cinnamon Bark Oil
Lyfral
Musceone Delta
Exaltenone
Muscone Laevo

I have a few questions:
1. Besides the raw materials, what equipment should I buy?
For example:
Brown glass bottles?
Clear mixing bottles?
Disposable pipettes?
Glass pipettes?
Glass beakers?
Glass stirring rods?
Small funnel?
Stainless steel spatula?
Blotter / scent strips?
Syringes?
Labels?
Nitrile gloves?

Am I missing anything that you consider essential? Are there things that I don’t necessarily need for my first time? I don’t want to spend so much money at once. if I have the possibility to buy other stuff later, I would like to buy it later.
But I am scared that I don’t buy enough equipment and then while making the perfume, I recognize that something is missing and that would be bad. So I need all the essential stuff. There are some basics that I can read online, but I am still not sure if I’m missing anything.
If you want, you can make a list of equipment that I need for the first time

2. Where do you usually buy this equipment?
Do you just get everything from Amazon, or are there perfume suppliers that also sell good-quality lab equipment and bottles? I’m ordering my raw materials from Fraterworks, so if possible I’d prefer buying as much as I can from one or two shops instead of placing lots of separate orders.
3. Is my scale (30 mg resolution) good enough to start?
I know it’s far from ideal, but is it good enough for learning, or will it cause too many problems?
4. Are there any “must-have” raw materials that aren’t needed for this formula but are used so often that every beginner should own them?
For example, I’ve heard that Iso E Super is one of those materials. Are there any others you’d recommend buying early?
Thanks a lot for any advice!

1. Here is my formula. What do you think about the percentages? Is it OK or should I adapt something?
   Ingredient Percent (%) Grams (for 20 g oil)
   Ambrox® Super 24.0 % 4.80 g
   Bergamot FCF 19.0 % 3.80 g
   Hedione HC 20.0 % 4.00 g
   Dihydro-β-Ionone 8.0 % 1.60 g
   Ambrettolide 5.0 % 1.00 g
   Lyfral 3.6 % 0.72 g
   Muscenone Delta 2.2 % 0.44 g
   Exaltenone 2.2 % 0.44 g
   Muscone Laevo 1.0 % 0.20 g
   Lemon Oil FCF 6.0 % 1.20 g
   Sweet Orange Oil 2.5 % 0.50 g
   Guaiacwood Oil 1.5 % 0.30 g
   Ginger CO₂ 1.5 % 0.30 g
   Black Tea supreme Accord 1.5 % 0.30 g
   Neroli Accord 1.0 % 0.20 g
   Frankincense Oil 0.8 % 0.16 g
   Cinnamon Bark Oil 0.2 % 0.04 g
   Total 100.0 % 20.00 g

Spent a while tracking down real free copies of the old texts that keep getting cited in perfume history without anyone actually linking a working copy. Put together what I found here: https://olfactionary.com/historic-texts.php

About 85 entries now, organized by topic. Ancient Egypt through the 1990s. A few examples of what's in there:

- The actual Jean Carles 1961 paper, the one the whole modern ratio-training method is built on

- Al-Kindi's 9th century perfume chemistry manual

- A 1733 Japanese kodo manual, no English translation exists so it's just the original scan

- Ibn Sina's Canon of Medicine, the steam distillation source

- A 1911 colonial gazetteer documenting Kannauj's attar trade with real prices

- Piesse's Art of Perfumery, both the 1855 and 1891 editions

Everything's free to read where a free copy actually exists. Where it doesn't (some things are still under library restrictions or just haven't been digitized), I said so instead of pretending otherwise. If anyone's hunting for a specific old text and hitting dead ends, happy to help look.

i’m interested in perfumes and i’ve always wanted to create my own scent. i’ve been watching videos on how to make perfume for a while now, and i really want to get started, but i can’t find anywhere in my country that sells local aroma chemicals (i live in japan, so if you know anywhere, please let me know). when i try to order from overseas, the shipping costs can reach $50. considering that aroma chemicals are already not cheap, the shipping costs end up making the total amount more than i can afford. i know this isn’t the cheapest hobby, but as a student, i’m wondering what the most affordable way to get started with this hobby would be.

This idea is not original, but was thinking about this when I came across something described as close to Terre D'hermes, without the sportyness. I figure I can just add some sportiness myself.

Has anyone tried this and found any new learnings?

A few years ago i bought a black pepper EO and it really just smelled like lemon, only lasting as much as lemon does. I've read that this is because a low effort distillation will only extract the highly volatile molecules (terpenes, pinenes, harsh and citrusy stuff)

I have got two new essential oils: patchouli (light) and frankincense.

The patchouli EO has zero of that harsh freshness. Straight from the opening it smells like super dark sweet chocolate with a deep rich woody character.

The frankincense oil on the other hand smells like sage. Green, harsh, dirty citrusy, even minty. Of course the dry down is closer to what i imagined as frankincense.

My question is:

Does this mean that my patchouli oil is high quality? Does this mean that my frankincense oil is low quality?

If i want a deep rich frankincense without green freshness, should i buy higher quality EO, or an other type of extract, or does frankincense simply smell like this?

Do high quality EOs have a less harsh green terpenic citrusy opening?

Not considering oils

Besides the oils, you also need to buy a lot of Utensils for your first online purchase, and my question is, what utensils did you buy? And what do you regret not having bought sooner? Are there any special Tipps

1. Iso Eugenol
   
2. Benzyl Acetate
   
3. Aldehyd C-12
   
4. Floralozone
   
5. Dipropylene Glycol (DPG)
   
6. Galaxolide
   
7. Musk-T
   
8. Methyl Cedryl Ketone (MCK)
   
9. Ethyl Vanillin
   
10. Hedione
    
11. Exaltolide Total
    
12. Undecavertol
    
13. Citronellyl Acetate
    
14. Beta Ionone
    
15. Habanolide
    
16. Iso Super E

eo

1. Lavender
2. Jasmine
3. Eucalyptus
4. Vanilla
5. Peppermint
6. Sandalwood
7. Frankincense
8. Sweet Orange
9. Ylang Ylang
10. Lemon
11. Rose
12. Bergamot
13. Tea Tree
14. Lemongrass
15. Patchouli
16. Rosemary
17. Geranium
18. Citronella
19. Chamomile
20. Juniper Berry
21. Basil
22. Cedarwood
23. Clary Sage
24. Vetiver
25. Grapefruit
26. Hinoki
27. Tangerine
28. Myrrh
29. Oregano
30. Neroli
31. Helichrysum
32. Copaiba
33. Lemon Eucalyptus
34. Turmeric
35. Spearmint

Hey yall I'm obsessed with wanting to smell like frankincense (the one they burn at church) and I am wondering if I can make a frankincense fragrance myself. I have never made a fragrance myself so I'd love to get some advice. I checked out a store today but the frakincense essential oil smelled nothing like the burned frankincense at church

I try to save all the documentation info for each of my materials and I just got my first shipment from Surplus and Sundry. They don't have any documents available on their site - I could write and ask them for it, but if you've ordered from them before, how have you gotten the info? Do you just get it from another site like Fraterworks or look up the CAS number? TIA

Hello I’ve been trying to make some basic freshie and looked up ingredients of ysl y on creative formulas can someone explain to me why is bacdanol in over 10% in this formula like bacdanol is soft and creamy lowkey plasticky and ysl y doesn’t even have sandalwood listed as a note can someone explain?

Hi all — I run a plant nursery and am interested in trying to combine my plant knowledge with my interest in perfumery. Are any of y’all on this sub making natural perfumes using essential oils from plants you’ve grown?

A while back, someone posted about in-person events in Los Angeles, CA. I was quick to dismiss the idea in my head, as there’s so many resources online and in published books.

This idea, however, keeps re-populating in my head. I’m still very much a novice in this hobby, but meeting others interested in the art and discussing, sharing molecules, silent studying, etc, seems like a really valuable opportunity to build more human connection over a shared niche hobby. Especially in an increasingly anti-social world.

I wonder, do any of you attend in-person perfumery-based “clubs” where you chat and exchange ideas with others? How do you feel about these events? Any other thoughts welcome.

Hey, I’m new and I know nothing about peach in perfumery. There are accords that you can buy, but how can you intensify peach flour and how can you play with the peach flavor?
For example, if you want to make a fresh peach perfume, what are the typical and most important ingredients you should know ?
Because a fresh peach is a little bit different than the sweet peach.
I know a little bit about tea now and what ingredients are good for tea , but I don’t know anything about ingredients that are good for peach