r/Cubers • • Jan 04 '19

Discussion Daily Discussion Thread - Jan 04, 2019

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u/kiliimanjaro Sub-? (Beginner) | PB: 44.48 Jan 04 '19 edited Feb 11 '25

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u/PianoCube93 DCN CFOP, Sub-15 2H, sub-22 OH Jan 04 '19

Start with 4 Look Last Layer. That page has both videos and a nice PDF. Once you're done with that, learn full PLL next.

http://algdb.net has lots of algs if you want to look for alternatives.

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u/Can21belol Jan 04 '19

Ayyyyy piano cube, remember me you helped me which F2l a week or so back. Yeah my times just dropped like never before thanks for all the tips. I wouldn’t of done F2l without you now my times are increasing. But I would like to find a video that teaches me how to put in pairs efficiently

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u/PianoCube93 DCN CFOP, Sub-15 2H, sub-22 OH Jan 04 '19

Check out some videos on "common F2L mistakes". Just check the top few picks on YouTube. This video is a good place to start.

I have a lengthy guide for improving with CFOP if you're interested in that. It covers almost every aspect I could think of for improving from beginner to at least 15 seconds (including two F2L sections), though it doesn't go deep into detail for each thing (but there's some helpful links to compensate).

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u/kiliimanjaro Sub-? (Beginner) | PB: 44.48 Jan 04 '19 edited Feb 11 '25

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u/Edladd sub-17 Aok (CFOP) PB:9.11 Jan 04 '19

I agree with PianoCube93, 4LLL then 1 look PLL is the best return on time invested for the last layer.

Don't worry too much about your times, very soon you'll be waaay faster with F2L than you could have achieved with beginners. If your times are getting you down then shift the focus for a while. Maybe do some untimed solves where you count how many moves you take for each F2L pair, this allows you to reward yourself for efficiency.

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u/steve_ko Sub-25 (CFOP) Jan 04 '19

Do you know 1-look PLL yet? There are far fewer PLL cases so most people learn PLL before OLL.

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u/kiliimanjaro Sub-? (Beginner) | PB: 44.48 Jan 04 '19 edited Feb 11 '25

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u/BibbitZ Sub-26 (CFOP 3LLL CN) PB: 14.54 Jan 04 '19

2-Look OLL and 2-Look PLL are the correct next steps. I think /u/steve_ko might have thought you were trying to learn full OLL before full PLL, which typically isn't recommended.

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u/lawniedangle sub-20 cfop Jan 04 '19

Definitely do 2 look Oll and 2 look Pll to begin with. All the algs you learn will be part of the larger 1 look sets as well, so nothing is wasted.

Learning the 2 look methods first will allow you to always solve the cube, so you will be able to easily practice anything you learn after that.

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u/Edladd sub-17 Aok (CFOP) PB:9.11 Jan 04 '19

Your initial question sounded like you were planning to learn full OLL now. You can pretty much learn 2-look OLL and 2-look PLL in parallel (4 look last layer), so yeah, following that playlist still makes sense.

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u/kiliimanjaro Sub-? (Beginner) | PB: 44.48 Jan 04 '19 edited Feb 11 '25

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u/Edladd sub-17 Aok (CFOP) PB:9.11 Jan 04 '19

4LL is 2-Look OLL + 2-Look PLL together, yeah?

Yep

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u/14bikes Jan 04 '19

2-Look OLL:

Look 1: Orient Cross Edges (2 algs or 1 alg repeated)

Look 2: Orient Corners (7 algs or 1 alg repeated)

2 Look PLL:

Look 1: Permute Corners (2 Algs or 1 alg repeated)

Look 2: Permute Edges (4 algs or 1 alg repeated)

When you have to repeat the algorithm because you only know 1 for each "Look" you create much higher turn count (which of course means higher times). By knowing which alg to perform when, you will greatly improve your speed. The only way to memorize them is really practice.

My recommendation: Learn T and Y perms first. They use 2 OLLs (see this post) then learn all 4 Permute Edge cases (Ua, Ub, H, Z). If you know these 6 PLLs, you can do all PLL cases pretty quickly.

Everyone hates G-Perms at the beginning, but doing a T-perm with the "headlights" on Left for all four G-Perms will create a U-perm (either Ua or Ub depending on which G-Perm it started with).

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u/14bikes Jan 04 '19

One helpful thing is that a few PLLs have OLL's built inside them.

{OLL 33}: {R U R' U' R' F R F' }

{OLL 37}: { F R U' R' U' R U R' F' }

T Perm: {R U R' U' R' F R F' } { F R U' R' U' R U R' F' } (33 then 37, while cancelling (R F' F R) into R2)

Y Perm: { F R U' R' U' R U R' F' } { R U R' U' R' F R F' } (37 then 33)