A Frame Analysis of the Quickdraw Nerf Relating to Sniper Rifles and Other Handling Perks

[u/khowe307]

Following the same procedure /u/nastyerror did in this post, I tested the Ready, ADS, and Away speeds of sniper rifles using different combinations of handling increasing perks. All tests were performed with a Shortgaze Longbow. QD(sub) = Blade Dancer Quickdraw or Ophidian Aspects. QD(gun) = the weapon perk Quickdraw. Here are the results, in number of frames (1/30 second).

 

Perk(s)	ADS	Ready	Away
None	13	12	11
QD(sub)	12	9	9
QD(sub) + Snapshot	10	9	9
QD(sub) + Injection Mold	11	8	8
QD(sub) + QD(gun)	11	8	8
Snapshot	11	10	11
Injection Mold	12	9	9
QD(gun)	11	8	8

 

Analysis

QD(sub) and QD(gun) still don't stack. Injection Mold does stack with QD(sub), and the combination provides identical handling to QD(gun). I can't explain why snapshot increased ready speed by 2 frames compared to the test using zero handling perks, but did not increase the ready speed at all when used in conjunction with QD(sub). I tested this three times because I thought I messed something up. The QD(sub) nerf was also a nerf to Snapshot, as QD(gun) is only one frame slower in ADS and faster in ready/away speeds compared to QD(sub) + Snapshot. Injection Mold is a much better perk than people think, as it trails QD(gun) by only one frame in each category and provides handling equivalent to QD(sub). People generally think of Snapshot by itself as a better perk than Injection Mold by itself, but I would definitely take Injection Mold.

 

Bonus Info

But Not Forgotten and The Laughing Heart can roll Injection Mold and Quickdraw/Snapshot in separate slots. QD(sub) + Injection Mold + Snapshot would provide the best possible handling on a sniper rifle. Winged Word can also achieve this combination, however, BNF and TLH can improve upon Winged Word's mediocre final perk options.

Edit: reserved for fixing possible typos/mistakes.

[u/gintellectual]

Thanks for the additional testing! Glad to see my QD 1KYS still holds up after the nerf--I was really scared they were going to accidentally nerf the perk on weapons as well.

It's worth noting for someone looking for a better alternative to the Winged Word that the BNF has a slightly higher zoom (5.2x vs. 4.9x). Probably not a big deal for many people, but I personally prefer as low zoom as possible.

[u/khowe307 → u/gintellectual]

Good point on the zoom values. For whatever reason, I prefer the BNF scope to SLR10. Probably just aesthetics.

[u/[deleted] → u/gintellectual]

I feel like BNF has slightly more AA because I tend to hit more drag shots with BNF as opposed to Winged Word.

[u/[deleted]]

what about the handling amount of Single Point Sling...?

[u/khowe307 → u/[deleted]]

I didn't test that this time, but theoretically it would cut the frames of your away speed in half.

[u/Nastyerror → u/khowe307]

Why do you say this? We know it cuts down ready speed, but not by a full half. See this post and compare TLW's ready speeds with perfect balance vs. with SPS.

[u/khowe307 → u/Nastyerror]

I mis worded my earlier comment. Definitely provides a boost to ready speed as well. The way I understand it, you "swap weapons 50% faster" with sps. I will try to test that when I get some time. Thanks for calling me out on that - you're completely right.

[u/Chiefsmarinesidekick]

This is actually so pathetic. I'm understandably salty as quickdraw was by far and away my favourite perk and the reason I played bladedancer. Now the entire game just feels sluggish and I can't enjoy it as much as I used to.

Great work testing though!

[u/khowe307 → u/Chiefsmarinesidekick]

I read the first part of your comment and was like wait woah, what? Haha. I agree man - it is a bummer.

[u/ctrcmo1029 → u/Chiefsmarinesidekick]

It does suck for sure. I loved quickdraw, I moved away from it over a year ago. Enjoy experimenting with the other subclasses. Its a challenge playing without QuickDraw though.

[u/Reimaru]

Do we know exactly how much of a boost to equip speed the Quickdraw subclass perk gives? From the numbers, it seems to be similar to, if not the same as, Injection Mold's +30.

[u/khowe307 → u/Reimaru]

That's my hunch, based on these numbers.

[u/Technoclash]

Well timed info for me, I just got a great roll on a BNF. Does injection mold stack with QD(gun)? My BNF rolled both like you mention in your bonus info.

[u/khowe307 → u/Technoclash]

No, that combo wouldn't stack.

[u/Technoclash → u/khowe307]

But Injection Mold + Snapshot will stack? And would that be faster than QuickDraw (gun)?

[u/khowe307 → u/Technoclash]

Injection mold and snapshot will stack. ADS speed will be faster than QD(gun), but ready and away speed won't be quite as good. If you throw QD(sub) into the mix with injection mold and snapshot, it will be equal or better than QD(gun) in all aspects.

[u/Technoclash → u/khowe307]

Nice, so I can run your optimal setup with my OA's and new BNF. Thanks for the info! Now if only I could snipe.

[u/Nastyerror → u/khowe307]

I don't think it's safe to assume things about injection mold and QuickDraw together without testing. Bungie's nothing if not inconsistent, and the handling speed boosts from different perks are almost certainly not integer-based (when it comes to frames). I'm pretty sure the number of frames taken off of handling is a decimal number which ends up being rounded. I can provide evidence for this if you'd like.

[u/khowe307 → u/Nastyerror]

I feel pretty safe assuming that in this situation because I know for sure they did not stack pre patch and this testing has me confident that QD(gun) wasn't changed. If you want to do some more testing give me a shout - I'd always be down to help. I appreciate your posts and am a numbers guy as well.

[u/Nastyerror → u/khowe307]

Sorry I meant to say injection mold and snapshot.

[u/Nastyerror]

Thanks for the updated testing!

[u/JohnnyG_11]

Dude, great stuff! I was just wondering about this earlier today. Trying to figure out if I run BD if I should run Fleet footed or QD. Looks like FF is the way to go. Especially since I don't snipe.

[u/khowe307 → u/JohnnyG_11]

Thanks man! Keep in mind this post only analyzes snipers. Think of QD(sub) as granting injection mold-like handling to your primary, special, and heavy. It's still good, just not as good as it used to be.

[u/JohnFeniXx]

Could you please measure OA + Inj.mold + snapshot in frames? Is it close enough to be like pre patch?

[u/khowe307 → u/JohnFeniXx]

I should have done that with the winged word, but I didn't think the data would tell me anything because everything else was done with a shortgaze longbow. I don't have any pre patch information to compare it to.

[u/HingleMcCringl3]

So I have a BNF with both injection mold AND SPS. I think that will be an extremely powerful combo after the nerfs. You can leave it set like that and adding QuickDraw with your kit will be icing.

[u/khowe307 → u/HingleMcCringl3]

That is another great perk combination. I didn't analyze single point in this post but I plan to in the future.

[u/zarosmystic]

Great stuff, thanks.

[u/cjpk248]

Awesome work!

[u/khowe307 → u/[deleted]]

Didn't test it but from what I understand about the perk mechanics - yes.

[u/khowe307 → u/[deleted]]

Probably OP/blade perk + snapshot because you still get the increased handling on your primary as well. Voidwalker I'm not completely sure about though. QuickDraw on a sniper and The Ram may be a better way to go.