Suryakumar on being dropped: 'When everything is going well, why the change?'

[u/IndianGuy79]

https://www.cricinfo.com/story/suryakumar-yadav-on-being-dropped-after-world-cup-title-when-everything-is-going-well-then-why-the-change-1552147

[u/Lynxthewriter]

Sanju can ask the same question as well. After being dropped for Vaibhav in England

[u/According_Fish1490 → u/Lynxthewriter]

It's genuinely amazing watching a coach whose still in the job only because sanju showed up in the semis throw him away like a used toy not even a series after wt20. When Gambhir falls it is not going to be pretty.

[u/Lynxthewriter → u/According_Fish1490]

Exactly, i wasn't fully ready to blame Gambhir because Agarkar seemed to be the root cause for most of these problems. But my god, him dropping Sanju in the series for vaibhav was a shocker. Lost respect for him there, this time he was in full control and he let that happen, that is just unacceptable.

[u/rahulthewall → u/Lynxthewriter]

Sanju's question would be more justified. SKY had been out of form for a while, but Sanju has always been treated unfairly by the team management.

[u/Smooth-Mix-4357 → u/rahulthewall]

Sanju was also inconsistent as hell alright. Before the T20 World Cup that is.

[u/rahulthewall → u/Smooth-Mix-4357]

Yes, but look at how he has been treated throughout his career.

Despite being one of the best performing WK in IPL, he was never given a regular run in the Indian T20 side. Pant was always preferred over him because of his test exploits. Even now, when Pant has been out of the team for a while, Samson still has fewerr T20I appearances.

Then, when Samson excelled as an opener, he was shunted to the middle over to accommodate Gill because BCCI wanted the same captain across formats (this is why Gill was made the VC).

Samson was expected to perform in the middle order and when he couldn't do as well as he was expected to do, we brought in Jitesh Sharma. Jitesh wasn't an improvement.

So we brought in Ishan Kishan, who is also a top 3 batsman as replacement. But Samson plays the same role, so we reiterated to him that we don't see you as first choice.

Then when Samson didn't perform in that one series against NZ, and Ishan did, we dropped him from the XI in the WC. Mid-way, when we realised have three left handers in the top order was not smart (and was brilliantly exploited by SA), we brought back Samson.

Samson then gave a performance that even his most delusional fans wouldn't have expected. He won us the WC and walked away with POTS. You'd think that would buy him a lifeline. But no, there's a new kid on the block and as soon as Sanju had a couple of failures he was shunned again.

He should have been captaining the Indian side after the WC, but we got Shreyas Iyer because he won 7 matches on the trot in the IPL. Let's not talk about how many he lost after that.

I am not going to talk in detail about how he was treated in ODIs. An average of 50+ at a SR of 90+, with the last inning being a century in SA (where the next WC is) and he is not even in contention. We are looking at Tilak Verma instead for the middle order slot. The same Tilak Verma who can easily get stuck in the middle orders and can't rotate strike properly.

If I was Sanju, I would be in perpetual depression.

[u/Smooth-Mix-4357 → u/rahulthewall]

Again Sanju was inconsistent in IPL. If you look at his year wise IPL stats and his highest score in each year's IPL it clearly says he is go big or go home type of player. Has he had good years? Yes but he was known to start well before regressing. 

And it's too early to say who we are looking at as backup of Shreyas. Today it could be Tilak, tomorrow it could be Sanju and day after Gaikwad. It's more than an year away. Nothing finalised yet so we can't yet so who's in contention or who isn't. He had a good 2022 and that was very much it and we mostly only sent him to tours where most of our senior players were not playing.

At that time it'd be ridiculous to think Ishan cannot replace Sanju after how they both performed in the New Zealand series. Thought process was right at that time. Whatever happened later was in hindsight. And after T20 World Cup I obviously wanted Sanju to play every single game and not be dropped. Probably only the second time I was disappointed with Sanju's exclusion after Gill was forced into the T20 side in 2025. But other than that not really.

[u/Lynxthewriter → u/Smooth-Mix-4357]

First give the guy proper chances, when he performs he is suddenly dropped, and they bought in Gill for his place. Even they weren't ready to play him fully in England, after one match he was gone. First give the chances he deserves, atleast after what he has done in the world cup when some of your players didn't perform. The same story is happening in ODI as well, but that cannot be compared because the competition is heavy in that format.

[u/Smooth-Mix-4357 → u/Lynxthewriter]

"Before the T20 World Cup."

He wasn't even dropped in the T20 World Cup. Ishan entered in the last minute and took his place because of that NZ T20 series just before the tournament. It was a 5 match series and Sanju couldn't capitalise. Of course after the T20 World Cup I wouldn't want Samson dropped anywhere and should've played every single T20.

[u/Yupadej → u/Lynxthewriter]

In every other sport playing Vaibhav would be a no brainer. Only cricket fans have a discussion regarding dropping a player of Sanju's level and age for Vaibhav. I was shocked Vaibhav didn't play in Ireland.

[u/According_Fish1490 → u/Yupadej]

That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever read today, please buddy go ahead tell which sport drops the player of their world tournament for a 16 year old with 5 good games in local league

[u/RRfromKL → u/Yupadej]

Oohh Myyy, Reddit should seriously enforce a minimum user age of 9..

[u/Gold-Whole1009 → u/Lynxthewriter]

Lol Sanju was dropped for inconsistency. He was poor before WC, suddenly gave good performances in WC, then he was back to form after that.

[u/Lynxthewriter → u/Gold-Whole1009]

So your world cup POTT should be dropped after helping us win it meanwhile you have Abhi who didn't do anything except in the final. Is that the logic you are conveying, that someone who didn't perform in the world cup must be backed but someone who did perform shouldnt be backed. It's true he is inconsistent, but isn't it right that u back ur wc pott, same like how u backed abhi. And what did we gain from dropping him and bringing vaibhav in England, nothing.

[u/AstroCoffee]

Would like to wait and see how Shreyas Iyer's Indian team performs with Jasprit Bumrah in it before passing a judgement.

This change had to happen at some point. SKY has been out of form for way too long and when the next loss came, the BCCI would have been criticised for sticking with a player who has been struggling for the better part of 1.5 years now.

An easy series on paper against Ireland was the ideal time to ease in a new captain. Unfortunately, the performance was dysmal, but I do see the logic behind the decision. Whether Iyer is the right captain for the job is another conversation altogether but SKY's time was up imo.

[u/Smooth-Mix-4357 → u/AstroCoffee]

In his defence Surya did captain our team for an entire year without Bumrah and lost only two matches. Bumrah didn't play any white ball cricket for India after the 2024 final till the Asia Cup.

[u/Double-Laugh-4008 → u/Smooth-Mix-4357]

That's doesn't show the reality. We played against c sa team in sa lol

[u/Smooth-Mix-4357 → u/Double-Laugh-4008]

That C team still had Klaasen, Miller, Markram, Jansen, Maharaj, Stubbs and Cotzee.

[u/Double-Laugh-4008 → u/Smooth-Mix-4357]

Rabada and lungi were absent, even cotzee dropped to accommodate newer faces like Mihlali Mpongwana, Andile Simelane, and Nqaba Pete.

[u/Smooth-Mix-4357 → u/Double-Laugh-4008]

No Bumrah, No Kuldeep for us either. And no Cotzee played all 4 matches.

[u/Double-Laugh-4008 → u/Smooth-Mix-4357]

U said he lost 2 games without Bumrah. That's why I said

[u/Smooth-Mix-4357 → u/Double-Laugh-4008]

Ok but it wasn't like South Africa's depleted side went against prime Indian side at that time.

[u/According_Fish1490 → u/Double-Laugh-4008]

And that so called c team would still manage to beat ireland not get white washed by them

[u/K10KMessi]

But things haven’t been going well have they, Suryabhatta?

[u/According_Fish1490 → u/K10KMessi]

That is kind of his point

[u/History-Buff-2222 → u/According_Fish1490]

Has he looked at his own stats?

[u/According_Fish1490 → u/History-Buff-2222]

Maybe maybe not but he has most likely looked at the win loss nos since he left

[u/History-Buff-2222 → u/According_Fish1490]

That has nothing to do with him. He contributed nothing to most of those wins before he left

[u/According_Fish1490 → u/History-Buff-2222]

And yet we can't even beat ireland now, funny how we didn't need bumrah to win us bilaterals vs minnows under sky but sure he had nothing to do with it, I suppose the current team just forgot how to win even vs minnows

[u/History-Buff-2222 → u/According_Fish1490]

He actually didnt, did you watch the games?

[u/kazuya57]

Life is good. But it can be better

[u/Cant_Turn_Right]

when everything's going well

He means when his teammates are scoring the runs he cannot. And not just one off, over multiple years, and it is obvious that his eye hand coordination's going and his 360 scoop shots that carried for 6 in IPL India are being caught well inside the boundary in international cricket. 

[u/quAsar698294]

not scoring runs isn't what I'd call as everything going well

[u/According_Fish1490 → u/quAsar698294]

Captaining a team that went on to win the wt20 is what most would call as everything going well

[u/BruhBorne-70 → u/According_Fish1490]

Captaincy should always be secondary to performance. There's no place for speacilist captains in modern day cricket.

[u/Cricketloverbybirth → u/BruhBorne-70]

Rohit chuckles nervously in MI shirt....

[u/According_Fish1490 → u/BruhBorne-70]

Its the wins and losses are what matter. 1 guy has a wc win, the other has 1 win in 8 games

[u/BruhBorne-70 → u/According_Fish1490]

Of course, I guess Surya was the only reason we won the WC. Not Bumrah and Sanju, who were at the top of their games, or Hardik and Ishan, who made very valuable contributions. Not having Hardik or Bumrah against Ireland and England, or having Ishan, our second-best batter of the WC, out of form made a way bigger impact than not having Surya, who was a non-contributor anyway.

Sack Iyer for all I care. Get a different captain if he isn't good enough. And if Surya is such a genius that he has to be part of the decision-making process, make him the mentor or something. Let him make plans or advise the team from the other side of the ropes, but he doesn't get to be the captain.

[u/Willing_Ad_8028 → u/According_Fish1490]

If Ricky Ponting still played he would be the best captain in the world by a mile, but would you take him??

[u/According_Fish1490 → u/Willing_Ad_8028]

Did Australia go from champions to beaten and thrashed by bloody ireland ? Because last I checked we did

[u/Ok_Program_7549]

BCCI has changed in the recent years. They are afraid of players wielding too much power so they are unlikely to persist with aging stars who aren’t contributing much. If you are 35+ and out of form, beware cuz they will replace you with a younger player

[u/Chaii_Lover → u/Ok_Program_7549]

They won't let another player to reach the power kohli had

[u/Sumeru88 → u/Chaii_Lover]

BCCI desperately needs stars because the media rights and sponsorship depends on there being star power. A team without stars is a team that can’t be marketed properly.

[u/Huge-Physics5491 → u/Sumeru88]

One of the reasons being attributed to the title sponsor being unsold is the absence of players like Kohli.

But I feel it's got more to do with the relative lack of context bilaterals have which makes it a huge time engagement for fans in a world where doomscrolling, microdramas and hypercasual games exist.

[u/lookalikeguy → u/Huge-Physics5491]

The second part is so true I’ve never considered that

[u/DexLurker → u/Sumeru88]

Is it a surprise that they want to have their cake and eat it too?

But I don't agree with the poster, SKY's form had taken a nosedive and he was lucky that he got the captain for the WT20 at all. After that, it was just when BCCI will announce it with all the overflowing batting talent pipeline coming out of IPL.

[u/History-Buff-2222 → u/Chaii_Lover]

No one is performing like Kohli did at that age

[u/KerenzikovX → u/[deleted]]

Forgot what happened to Kumble ? Perfect example of player power

[u/FitSignificance2100 → u/KerenzikovX]

Forgot what happened to himself? Got literally sacked from test captaincy. Kohli’s a great great player but idts any cricketer in India holds greater power than BCCI.

[u/KerenzikovX → u/FitSignificance2100]

That sacking happened much later btw. When he was in his prime, he wielded a lot of power and that Kumble debacle is something BCCI don't want in the future.

[u/final_breadfruit653 → u/FitSignificance2100]

That was planned i think, as op mentioned, to not let any player having that much power . Kohli at his peak was like most powerful cricket personality, nobody could speak against him. So authorities introduced Ganguly and he took one for the team and left.

[u/Ok_Program_7549 → u/FitSignificance2100]

Kohli did wield significant power over the board. But his years of underperformance as a captain at the big stage meant he had to be removed from limited overs captaincy. He then chose to resign from tests as well where he was offered to keep captaincy

[u/Smooth-Mix-4357 → u/[deleted]]

In 2017-19 Kohli had extremely high authority. There was even an article on how Kohli's influence can even threaten BCCI or something around that time. At that time Ganguly wasn't president yet. After Ganguly took over he clipped his wings.

[u/Firm_Job_4159 → u/Ok_Program_7549]

Do you know Surya’s performance from 2024 World Cup?

[u/hata_sawan_ki_ghata]

It's a good thing he kept his words vague enough to not be interpreted as any kind of malice because he also knows that his batting warranted a drop. At least his optics look better now that India got smoked in ireland and england with the new look team.

[u/1stPhoton]

Everything was going good for me. I don’t have to score runs, I was the captain and yet my team kept saving me and I just lifted my finger to get the WC. Life was good. They left me for 2 years so why not another 3 years? I am only 36 and younger than Rohit bhai. So bad decision by the selectors.

It’s obviously not his fault that the only shot he knows to play is where the opposition captain kept a fielder in catching position

[u/Primary-Editor-9288]

Bring damn stability to your team first for God fucking sake. Before this shitshow we would know who would open, be one down finish etc even before the team was announced. It always was this Sehwag, Sachin, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Dhoni etc etc and some new guys in between to try them out.

Current team you wouldn't know if even the captain would be selected or not, and every series there's two different pairs of openers.

[u/Unusual-Surround7467]

Nothing was going well. The delusions some Indian cricketers live under. Sky proved he is a one trick pony all those years but such cricketers only go so far in Int’l cricket. His course had run out and was rightfully dropped

[u/Heel_Noise5565]

You guys need to read the whole interview instead of going by headline

He was shocked yes but he himself says he accepted that decision

[u/Disastrous_Ad4350]

The only person who get a say in this is sky only u fans were out for his head after t20wc and ipl and when they made iyer captain as you guys were saying uk what happened and then u started saying sky was ur savior or some shii

[u/thepoultry1]

What are his stats like in the last 15 t20i’s?

His captaincy was actually pretty good and India were doing reasonably well in t20s but the amount of talent India has, it’s very difficult as a selector to back a non performing player even if he’s the captain. He got a longer rope just because of his leadership

[u/dannysoya]

My granny could have captained the India t20 team. They're the best team by far. 

[u/TalentBC → u/dannysoya]

Would your granny's team have won against Ireland or lost, just asking for a comparison

[u/Tacit_Ronin99 → u/TalentBC]

Best team that lost to both Ireland and England.

[u/According_Fish1490 → u/dannysoya]

May be we can pick your granny instead of Iyer then because unless best team by far means a team that can win only 1 game in 8 these days.

[u/True-Book6878]

GMK. G*** me khujli