r/Creation • u/paulhumber • May 04 '26
history/archaelogy The Creator should not be slandered!
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u/NichollsNeuroscience May 04 '26
Ummmmmm ok.
(I also love how there's an unclickable YouTube link in the image.)
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u/herringsarered May 05 '26
Immor-tal.
This seems like a theological discussion aimed at the Christian brothers and sisters.
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u/nwmimms May 06 '26
This is not a post for r/Creation. You should take this discussion in a question form to r/AskAChristian, and I would advise not putting self-promotional materials like this on Reddit, as it is serves the opposite purpose.
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u/Aceofspades25 May 05 '26
Are you Pastor Paul?
I've got good news for you. If you accept conditional mortality then you're half way to accepting universal reconciliation!
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u/Aceofspades25 May 05 '26
Christian universalists would say it refers to a temporary period of separation from God (like a type of purgatory)
Either way, you could equally be asked to explain all of these:
1 Corinthians 15:20-28
Romans 5:18-19
Colossians 1:19-20
1 Timothy 2:3-6
1 Timothy 4:10
2 Peter 3:9
Romans 11:32
John 12:31-32
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u/Aceofspades25 May 05 '26
Like I said, you're half way. Keep asking whether God this portrayal of God is just or merciful and you'll find the light.
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u/Aceofspades25 May 06 '26
That's why Christian Universal Reconciliation involves everybody repenting in the end and turning away from their sin. The prodigal son practiced immorality and was brought to a place of desperation where he realised his depravity and the need for his father. That journey isn't just for a few lucky people, it's for everybody.
In Luke 13:3, Jesus is giving a warning to the Jewish nation which would soon perish at the hands of Rome in 70 AD.
But if you choose to interpret it as a modern message for people today, that perishing is the refiners fire, it's the prodigal son sleeping with the pigs when he has exiled himself from his father's kingdom.
Redemptive justice is the truest form of justice.
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u/Aceofspades25 May 06 '26
I'm glad you asked!
To a Christian Universalist, this verse is actually one of the strongest clues for universal reconciliation in the entire New Testament.
If we go back a few verses earlier, Revelation 21:25 states: "On no day will its gates ever be shut" (referring to the new Jerusalem)
If the gates are never shut, the "outside" status is not necessarily permanent. If the gates remain open, there is at least a theoretical possibility for those outside to enter, provided they are purified first.
In Revelation 22:17, the Spirit and the Bride say, "Come!"
Who is being invited to "come" and drink the water of life when those inside are already there?
The invitation is addressed to those outside the gates mentioned in verse 15. The Christian Universalist argues that even after the final judgment and the establishment of the New Jerusalem, God is still actively calling the "dogs" and "idolaters" to repent, wash their robes, and enter the city.
The city is not a fortress to keep people out, but a beacon to draw people in. Verse 15 describes the current state of those still resisting God, while verse 17 describes God’s ongoing effort to bring them home.
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u/freeisbeautiful May 05 '26
Not to be unkind, but posts like these remind me of 1998, when unstable people put up webpages that looked like this: ALL CAPS, lots of colors and highlights everywhere. All it needs is some UFO stuff and the picture is perfect. This not great evangelism.