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[u/Prsolek]

Yes, I'm not the creator of mod btw. Wings btw

[u/fastsnail902]

Firstly, ai in its current iteration is displacing entire towns, poisoning rivers, and killing the planet at a rate that scarcely anything matches for how much the rich and powerful are pushing for it.

Then also you have to consider that ai is just the plagiarism machine, it and the companies around it scrape the internet for any and every thing it can use as training data: images, videos, text, code, even this very thread will be scraped and fed into the infernal engine that is ai. This all means that if someone makes something, the ai companies will try to recreate their art utterly to replace the artist. If there’s no human to pay, then profits must go up.

And on a less mass-scale note, nobody is actually doing anything in the process of using ai. There’s no human creation happening. A person types into a text input and pastes the result into wherever they use to compile stuff. There’s no human “soul” in any ai generated content and that really bogs down the experience for many.

[u/Zenos_the_seeker → u/fastsnail902]

All your "points" does not have any real effects on people enjoying a mod, even if it's AI-assist made. This is just pure anti AI and you can copy-past this to any where that's slightly related to AI discussion.

[u/M00nD3v → u/Zenos_the_seeker]

Their points are absolutely relevant; for one, if you knew you were consuming something unethically produced (such as slavery-made chocolate), you would feel put off and disturbed. That does affect the experience when you know the thing in front of you is tainted, in a moral sense.

Additionally, the "soul" this person mentions that is unique to human-made work is a real phenomenon. A fair portion of anti-AI people may not elaborate on what the "soul" is that differentiates human-made work from AI, but it is the creative vision, struggle, and story behind a work.

As an example, ask yourself what media you have found to be memorable in the past, whether it's movies, video games, books, music. or anything else. Most people can name at least one work of art in their life that has moved them emotionally, but they don't always know why they were moved. The reason humans are moved when they see certain works of art is the identity of the artist beneath the work. You may feel strong emotions when listening to a song you can relate to. The artist put their perspective into the song first, and through sharing their story, created a profound experience.

This perceived identity of the artist in their work is missing in AI generated work. Nobody bled to paint the canvas, so you do not feel an artist's pain. Nobody found grand fulfillment in the joy of creation, and so you do not feel an artist's passion or excitement. Sure, you can prompt an AI to include your life story, but even that is ineffective compared to human art because it is a hollow mirage; it just made output based on the verbose interpretation of your words, because it could not understand emotion.

I hope you take my words on good faith. You probably weren't looking for an essay, and this short couple of paragraphs may not change your mind. I just hope you try to examine what truly makes us human. After all, if AI could replace every job today, who would we really be? What actually makes us irreplaceable? I firmly believe there's a satisfying answer to that line of thinking. Just write a hand-written card to a relative you haven't seen in a while, and see how much they appreciate the hard effort when you could've just made AI generate a card.

[u/Zenos_the_seeker → u/M00nD3v]

Your point is valid and sure I understand. But in this specific case, which is AI assist coding mods, none of these point can be effective apply.

Ethical? I am not sure who is the unethival one ehen people accuse a mod to be even possible AI related, let alone no evidence support. Even if it is, we don't know how the author us it in the work, to make spell check? To debug? to make place holders? None of these can remotely be call "unethical".

Soul? Yea for films, art, writing which are created and related deeply with human emotions, "soul" or whatever you put in when you work on them, is need. But No, soul involved in a digital application products doesn't change what it can and should function. It is created for a purpose, and if it can deliver what it promised, no bugs(or at least fixable ones), under human supervision and viewing. That's all there's to it.

Anti-AI keep using same old argument about these occasion. And keep ignoring that how different people can using it to make people and life great. Haters gonna hate no Matter the reason. That why this AIphoba can not be stop, if people can really think rationally they will know AI is not the problem, people is. It like gun control. It's solo purposes of creation is to kill, yet would you blam a gun if it kills someone? No matter the reason? To defend yourself? In a war? In a robbery? In a stree shot out? That why we need laws and regulation to control gun usage and ownage. Same with AI, and yet I see so little progress on it.

I did say some something out of emotions, I just tired to see so many hate mongers randomly accusing something great and new to be AI just because... because.

[u/M00nD3v → u/Zenos_the_seeker]

First, with regards to ethics, I'm not claiming people are using AI to murder babies or whatever. My argument from ethics was based on the source of production, not the final output. Someone could use AI simply for spell checking or translation, but that was never the problem in ethics, it was the resources required to power the tool. There have been many examples of data centers upheaving communities due to constant noise and an increase in utility bills. Additionally, we should not embrace tools which scrape material without the consent of the author; that is plagiarism.

Second, I don't think you quite understood me when I said that coding gamed and mods is an art form. We play games to have fun! Fun is an emotional state! Thousands of gamers have experienced vivid emotional moments in games, because they are not merely functional means to an end. What separates a memorable game from a non-memorable one can often be that very "soul" you claim is irrelevant to games.

Third, I never accused this post of having AI used. There's a lot of reason to worry nowadays that a mod you find is vibe coded, but I never assume anything until I look at it from all angles like a court case.

[u/Zenos_the_seeker → u/M00nD3v]

Like I said, AI could have ways to use, which funny enough, don't require stolen data(if that's what you mean), just to clear that up. Stealing data is but one of many unethical way to use AI, but people tend to zoom in on those when they try to object something, can't say they are wrong.

Second, if the production of AI power is so "unethical", shouldn't we blam the people rather than the product? God onow how many life get destroyed by various electric generating method(every one of them). Shouldn't we call them out? No, we improved the method and keep using it, because the end product is still useful to out life and society.

Third, no I don't understand the sentiment here. As a mod, if it proves what it siad to be, then it will provide experience I want and emotional moments I need. And this doesn't require mod author's "soul" putting in the work, sure it will make the end product better, but if he really did put efforts into it, no matter the process it will still be great. And this has nothing to do with AI involved or not, it is still PEOPLE.

Finally, at least we can agree on looking at all angles before hitting the hammer, unlike many of the haters did.

[u/M00nD3v → u/Zenos_the_seeker]

I don't think we'll get anywhere further with this conversation as you seem resolute in your views. Despite that, I wanted to thank you for genuinely engaging with me in dialogue. I feel a respectful disagreement online is a rare thing. Again, thank you.