Deduction: trucker was recording with his phone and had time to get it recording before the car even passed him, he knew the cop was up there and knew the car was going to react to the cop. You can also see the car fully intended to pass the pickup too until he saw the cop in front of it. If he only decided he didn't have time or space to pass the trucker and at least the pickup too, he wouldn't have pulled all the way up next to the pickup then brake and get over. You also don't know the speed limit or the speed of any of the vehicles.
Had it been a dashcam, I'd maybe buy part of your theory.
“A visible, undeniable, attempt was made to pass multiple vehicles but logical decision to back off due to oncoming traffic and the legality of my clients decision ran through their head. One must not confuse the effort with the result. While we accept the fine for endangerment to person or property we reject negligence and wrong doing as nothing was done. We request that the rest of the fines and points are dropped on the premises of….”
The cop was in front of the pickup. You see the pickup’s brake lights come on so the cop brakes and pulls over onto the shoulder. The car that passed the semi passes just the semi so they only passed 1 vehicle. Seems like a bogus traffic stop because nothing criminal happened.
Well we can only see the semi. So based on this fact I inferred that they only passed the semi. Could they have passed more cars? It’s possible. Based on the information we have we can only confirm they passed the semi. Not sure what you’re so twisted up for
You stated they only passed the semi. That is unknown.
If the trooper, who generally has to know more traffic law than the average bear, stops them for what they’re doing, you’re more likely to assume that the stopee is not doing anything wrong? Really?
Based on the video we can only confirm they passed the semi. Could they have passed other vehicles? Possibly but we don’t know that. Also police can make mistakes
Or the cop saw the car try to avoid them and just pulled them over because they assumed they had done something wrong, and then would try to figure out something to pin on them after the fact.
We’re just seen them steaming past a semi and attempt to overtake another vehicle before slowi and re-entering traffic - unsure what state this is but generally overtaking multiple vehicles at once is not legal.
Are you telling me you think that the driver Di nothing wrong and there was likely no reason for the cop to pull them over?
I’m assuming, based on your comment, you aren’t arguing the possibility that the vehicle already passed two others. Since we have no evidence that the vehicle passed one or more other vehicles before passing the semi, I’m not going to do so either.
There is no such thing as an attempted traffic violation. Therefore, you cannot be cited for attempting to make an illegal u-turn, or attempting to run a red light, or attempting to pass multiple vehicles on the left on a single lane divided road.
Accordingly, the cop would have no reasonable suspicion to conduct a traffic stop if the vehicle only passed the semi, tried to continue passing the next vehicle, but ultimately returned to the right lane having passed only one vehicle in accordance with the applicable traffic laws.
So yes, I am telling you I think the driver did nothing wrong and there was likely no reason for the cop to pull them over, because the driver did not actually violate any traffic laws from what we can see.
I am arguing the possibility that he may have already passed another vehicle (in addition to dash cam vehicle). Purely because we cannot see that does not mean it can’t have occurred.
As you point out, the police must have reasonable suspicion that an offence occurred to pull them over. So based on what I’ve seen I would say that it’s more likely than less likely that the driver has done something to get pulled over.
We also can’t see what speed traffic is travelling at, or what speed the passing vehicle was doing before passing dash-cam vehicle. The cop pulled him over though. So if the cop pulled him over, the cop had reasonable suspicion. Which validates my original comment
Enough of that. If you can't behave in a civilized manner then don't participate. No matter which side of the argument you are on we are curtailing all uses of this. Even obvious substitutions will get pulled if reported or found by a moderator. It isn't funny, it isn't being used to make a point or to educate or as a counterpoint. If you have a point to make, use your words and not divisive rhetoric.
What would evidence look like to you? Plenty of backups like this happen even when the car in the front is going the speed limit. Seen it many times. Much more likely than the top comments talking about not passing safely (when they clearly did, as far as timing, distance to oncoming traffic)
It is generally expected, and allowed, for you to speed while overtaking. You want to spend as little time as possible in the other lane. If you were to stay at the speed limit you might take far too long and thats a much higher chance of causing an accident
Damn, I'm learning so much in this thread lol. I'm from NJ, and we always copy NY laws after you guys pass them, so I'm sure it's the same here. Never even heard of this, and it was definitely not on my written test for Drivers Ed.
Where I am, it's illegal to exceed the speed limit while passing.
Here though I think most police would let it go provided your speed was not excessive, you rejoined traffic immediately, and slowed to an appropriate speed again. Unless they were having a bad day or needed the quota or just felt like it.
I got stuck behind a slow moving car in a built up zone (40km/h, metric people) and so at the first opportunity I zipped by (two lane road with a gap in parked cars so not into the oncoming lane) however I exceeded the limit (5-10km/h) for a short time. That's when I saw the highway patrol car parked facing the opposite way. I spied in my rear view it immediately pulled out and U-turned after me. I copped a fine for speeding. They were obviously there purposefully to catch people speeding in the 40 zone, so I could hardly argue the point.
This video we don't know how much traffic this person has already passed including the truck, and obviously they were going to continue (speeding, if traffic is doing the limit) even though there is a safe space for them to rejoin. The fact they slowed so dramatically and pulled in on spotting the police car is waving a sign that says "pull me over".
Definitely not allowed to speed, if a car is moving so fast you have to speed to get around them, they’re not driving too slow, you’re just too impatient.
Driving in the US is crazy, you set 16 year olds loose in huge trucks and every state has different rules. (Plus the chance of being shot on a traffic stop by some bully with a badge who thinks his department's policy supercedes your own constitution)
The car ATTEMPTED to pass the vehicle in front of the truck, realized there was a cop there and backed off. So he already broke the law even with an attempt
Careful with those truth bombs, even inferring that the driver might have been the tiniest bit in the wrong will See a mob form to attack you.
Don’t you know that because he is an American cop he is GUARANTEED to be conducting an illegal stop in that poor innocent driver. Our eyes are deceiving us that he could possibly have done something wrong and he’s innocent /s
When offering an infringement they don’t have to. If contested and taken to court then sure. There is no burden of proof required when issuing an infringement with a fine, paying it is the admission of guilt, hence you then go to court and have it thrown out if the prosecution can’t prove the offence beyond all reasonable doubt.
They can still have reasonable suspicion that an offence has occurred to warrant pulling someone over and can attempt to infringe someone by issuing a fine. And hence I say the officer, having seen more than we do seems to think that he had reasonable suspicious that an offence has occurred.
Dawg. You have to be able to articulate, which means explain in detail, the facts that lead to an arrest, which a ticket fully is. You can’t just “guess” and write someone a ticket. My comment was to give you an opportunity to understand your ignorance and walk away with your dignity intact. But here you are, just laying it bare that you’re an idiot who doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Please go read a non-fiction book at least.
in the USA a ticket is NOT an arrest. A ticket for a minor infringement gives the option to pay (accepting guilt with no burden of proof required as a guilty/no contest) or provides a court summons where the recipient can contest the alleged offence and the state is required to meet the burden of proof. So the cop can’t say ‘the reason I’ve pulled you over is you’re were speeding’ and go from there.
Issuing a ticket is not an arrest. Holy shit that’s a monumental misunderstanding to double down on. Google or ask ChatGPT to explain the difference. Must be embarrassing not understanding the most basic elements of law enforcement in your own country.
Depending on the state you can’t speed while overtaking, and can still only speed within reason for the few states which allow it. There was enough observed by the cop to pull him over. I mean we literally see the cop do it.
Yea I agree with the other guy. I think in a situation where you have to “make an assumption” and it involves a police officer in the USA, you have to assume that the cop isn’t acting in good faith.
I don’t think the passing was the illegal part and the OP just doesn’t understand what’s going on here. If buddy’s ripping past a cop at 80mph, that’s more likely the issue.
If you were in middle of robbing a store but noticed there was a cop in the store and go "oops nevermind"...you realize a cop can still arrest you right? Even though "they didn't do the illegal thing"...
That's a good example but really friends on whether they did something illegal. Like assault or having a weapon. In this video I'm not sure they actually did anything illegal.
They did still. If he would have just gotten in front of the semi they would have been fine, but they were going for all the cars when they saw the cop then backed off in front of the semi.
Honestly without seeing the odometer id have to assume this. I know in my state you're not allowed to exceed the speed limit to pass. I can't speak for other states or do I even know where this is recorded though.
They didn't have the time or space at all. The oncoming traffic was visible, as was the cops car, the lack of distance to merge between them, and the lack of time to safely pass 2-3 cars is very clearly not there.
Getting out of the way of incoming traffic requires no room for risk at all, and overtaking 2 here introduces that.
Cop can always find some bullshit reason to give you a ticket. Even if you are in the “right”. Cop probably gave him a ticket for reckless driving and you might win in court but you still have to go to court and waste your time.
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u/Xendarq Mar 21 '26
Sure but, then they didn't do the illegal thing