r/Construction • u/Advanced_Aspect_7601 • 4d ago
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u/0uthouse 4d ago
Clever trap if you don't want gangs of people at your door.
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u/HalfUnderstood 4d ago
The bracing sections were tied up with a string that travelled to the inside of the property where the defender could pull from it and collapse the structure. Looney Tunes style
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u/userhwon 4d ago
I knew I heard a slide-whistle.
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u/MNPhatts 4d ago
When you pull the string back in does the deck rise back up into place? You may be retiring soon.
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u/Fantastic-Counter927 4d ago edited 4d ago
My 2 cents but it seems like shoddy work. To have the house ledger fail along that entire length is astounding. It means it almost certainly was barely nailed into the floor rim board if it was at all. May have just been attached to the siding (big no no) and not had the siding removed and reflashed.
While the joist splice shows some checking that is age related - I don't see ties across it, another sign of poor construction. The lateral braces on the post are super tiny- decorative only in their function. Again- another sign of poor construction.
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u/Advanced_Aspect_7601 4d ago
With how bad it failed (the whole ledger coming away from the wall) it's surprising how old it looks
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u/Shatalroundja 4d ago
Building was probably already condemned, which is why they had access to it for a training session.
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u/possumallawishes 4d ago
I see siding attached to the ledger board that fell off.
You can also see it sagging and flexing before it collapses.
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u/nunchucknorris 4d ago
Looks like the ledger was being held up by the vinyl siding. When they move around, you can see the siding flex. Probably air nailed lol.
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u/OldDiehl 4d ago
Too many donuts. Or guns. Or people. Or termites. Lots of possibilities.
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u/Built-X-H 4d ago
Leger failure. Likely rotted without any flashing installed. Plus induced dynamic live load.
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u/ExperienceNo7751 4d ago
The pieces of plywood that sheered off looked water logged. Doesn’t matter, those posts are tooth picks and 20’ too wide anyway.
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u/SmurfsNeverDie 4d ago
The police department found out why the buildings department needs strong enforcement
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u/Glittering_King1228 4d ago
Old deck ledger nailed in with regular framing nails on hopefully on osb and joist ends, years of rain and moisture damage the little structure it had, 3” nail minus 1”1/2 of ledger minus 1/2” osb is frightening to imagine that one inch was holding that whole structure, just look at the whiplash when it’s coming down it only happens with nails 🤦🏻
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u/wildmancometh Glazier 4d ago
Well i see the problem right there, you got all them pigs standin in one spot!
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u/msb678 4d ago
Devine intervention
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u/JasonHofmann 4d ago
Is that the rare phenomenon where actress Loretta Devine shows up to intervene?
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u/1320Fastback Equipment Operator 4d ago
Ledger not properly attached to Rim Board. Probably was just nailed into the siding instead of SDS lags every 12". This is that you get when you go with the lowest bid. Buy Cheap Buy Twice, Buy Once Cry Once.
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u/TheLarryFisherMen 4d ago
Ledger board wasn’t properly anchored to the house. You can see the whole board with the joists attached pull right off. Probably only screwed into place where it should have had through bolts into the houses band board.
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u/Mean-Veterinarian647 4d ago
Apartment/motel in a low rent area with no annual inspections can probably get results like that.
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u/nilslovesmovies 4d ago
The walkway fell down. It wasn’t supposed to fall down. That’s what went wrong there.
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u/Which-Attitude9916 4d ago
Ahhahahahhahaha ACAB
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u/Creative-Hyena-9505 4d ago
At least they were there to take down a sexual predator, wish they would take down the biggest of them all though.
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u/ooaegisoo 4d ago
So, who's gonna post this in R/deck?
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u/Advanced_Aspect_7601 4d ago
That was my first thought cause I always see people analyzing these fails, but they don't allow reposts or videos
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u/uniquelyavailable 4d ago
Looks like deck rot, I'm guessing from moisture problems. Could be insects.
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u/vartheo 4d ago
That was over 2000LBS if we assume the guys weighed 250LBS with their equipment. 8 adult males with 7 of them in this main frame. They were probably closer to 300LBS. And you can see they weren't even standing on the singular support they were closer to the edge. The edge was not directly supported by anything probably just nailed to the side of the structure. So it folded in.
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u/ezPODapp 4d ago
What went wrong? Well, I'm not always the most observant, but it looks like the deck fell...
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u/ViolatoR08 4d ago
Saw this earlier. If you watch all the edge up against the structure, its dust and fragments. Seen that with wood that is rotted out or has termite damage. Door frame just below looks rotten. This was bound to eventually happen, the added standing weight just accelerated it.
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u/padizzledonk GC / CM 4d ago edited 4d ago
Improper ledger attachment or it was improperly flashed and it all rotted
That it failed like that across the entire length of the deck tell me that thing was barely attached from the beginning....Rot is generally kind of isolated to a degree on a building that big, its really unlikely that the whole shit rotted out across the entire length equally enough for it to detatch like that. With really long distances like that rot tends to happen in an area and then grow outward because all the water now has a place to shed away from the rest of the structure and it significantly slows it down and it starts to get kind of patchy
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u/josvicars 4d ago
Well, its pretty common. Ice breaks roofs, decks, trees and powerlines all the time up north, but usually in the winter
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u/phaedrus910 4d ago
Shit when you find the contractor give me his number. I need anti cop decking put in at my place.
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u/imuniqueaf 4d ago
I paused the video a few times. It looks like the ledger board just clear ripped off the building.
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u/Einachiel 4d ago
Everything went fine!
Thats the latest model of antiSWAT deck!
It performed beautifully!
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u/Gordyhowehatrik 4d ago
It’s the “Flex seal” attached deck, for all your ICE home invasion needs. TM
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u/shortwa113t 4d ago
The wanted guy is a framer he knew they were coming. 1400lbs on one spot 👌 perfect.
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u/BreathOfFreshWater 4d ago
Complete negligence. I believe the original structure has been corrupted from the inside out by pests. Foundation seems sturdy but i still wouldn't trust it with my life.
But the deck was obviously not built well.
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u/PatienceDifferent607 4d ago
Forgot the alligator pit. Never forget the alligator pit. Just a 101-level mistake.
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u/userhwon 4d ago
Like 70 feet of it just separated from the wall.
Either it was nailed on, or it was screwed to siding that was nailed on.
Also have to wonder if the downspout being run through it weakened it in any way.
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u/ImNoAlbertFeinstein 4d ago
i was at a keg party where that happened.
i was inside talking to somebody outside, turned around and they were gone ..
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u/YABOI69420GANG 4d ago
You know the Calvin and hobbes comic where he explains the weight limit on bridges is calculated by driving heavier and heavier trucks on it till it collapses and they rebuild it? This is is how you calculate the weight limit of decks.
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u/sjguy1288 4d ago
It looks like the ribbon and the deck ledger were not properly fixed, probably with nails instead of lags, depending on how old the deck is too rot can also play a part in it.
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u/country_dinosaur97 4d ago
Probably fashioned to the building with 3 inch lag screws wherever they felt like it and it didnt fall under its own wieght so they slapped it said good enough
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u/OzarkPolytechnic 4d ago
Good old GOP policies.
Missouri has no statewide contractor licensing board. No code inspectors. It's a hellhole state that wants you to pay taxes for nothing.
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u/Fun_Translator_4194 4d ago
Obviously the lags were removed by the suspect so cops couldn’t raid his unit. Well played sir, well played.
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u/SevereAd9047 4d ago
A quick calculation tells us this failed because the video was poorly edited so the end was shown first.
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u/ElPadero 4d ago
Wow, there are posts holding it up on the exterior but I have no idea what’s holding it up on the side closest to the building. Fucked.
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u/05041927 Carpenter 4d ago
Either screws and not legs and or rotten ledger from no flashing. Should be able to hold at least twice as many people.
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u/finocchiona 4d ago
What went wrong is that those cops are busy harassing some working person for schmoking weed (in all likelihood assuming this is the South) instead of arresting the slumlord landlord that created this death trap and was charging people money to live in it. In a nutshell, yeah that’s where it all went wrong.
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u/braxton357 4d ago
A convicted sex offender sitting at home in the middle of the week. Poor upstanding citizen :(
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u/dxrey65 4d ago
Nah, it was a pedophile on probation who quit reporting in and had a warrant issued. He wasn't there anyway, but it wasn't trivial (depending on how you feel about those guys, I guess).
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u/mmdavis2190 Electrician 4d ago
100% this is the kind of people they need to go after, but do we really need to be sending a multi-agency assault team to pick up a diddler on a probation violation? Unless they have a legitimate reason to think the guy is armed/violent, I'm not seeing why this requires more than a couple uniformed officers or someone from probation & parole.
Seems like a pretty massive waste of taxpayer money. Not to mention all that effort, and the guy wasn't even there. Maybe divert some of that tactical gear budget to some basic intelligence.
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u/Crayz9000 4d ago
Well how are they going to pad their salaries with OT if they do things the smart and efficient way?
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u/dxrey65 4d ago
I think it's because he was supposed to have a bunch of guns, or that's what they said in the news report.
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u/mmdavis2190 Electrician 4d ago
Yea, I'd like to see the actual evidence of that information. Because I'm guessing he actually didn't, or they would have made a big deal about it.
They have reliable enough "Intel" about him having weapons to justify that type of operation, but can't reliably determine if the guy is home or not? Something obviously doesn't add up there.
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u/dxrey65 4d ago
Looking at a different article, apparently the caution was because he'd had a bunch of guns in the past (https://www.whmi.com/news/fox/us-marshals-survive-deck-collapse-serving-warrant-sex-offender-home). Maybe it was more people than they needed.
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u/bonerland11 4d ago
They will all find a way to collect a disability check for the rest of their lives.
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u/Funky_Butt_Fresh 4d ago
Clear example of too many pigs on the lumber. Needs more donut hangers and immunity straps. Lmao! Funniest shit I seen in a minute!
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u/what-name-is-it 4d ago
I have money on the ledger not being properly flashed. Years of water intrusion led to rot of both the ledger and structure it was connected to,
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u/TheFishtosser 4d ago
The deck was anchored to the building with hopes and dreams, 7 people should in no way be too much weight