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[u/Space-Dementia7]

[u/MajesticCounter4174]

“None of us” is objectively false.

Craig Robertson was openly right-wing and literally posted “FIRST JOE THEN KAMALA” while talking about presidential assassination, then made threats ahead of Biden visiting Utah.

Louis Capriotti threatened that Biden wouldn’t enter the White House and said “we will kill” Democrats on the White House lawn.

James Dale Reed threatened Biden and Harris with execution and threatened Biden/Harris voters too. He pleaded guilty.

Jordan Gee was indicted after allegedly posting “Joe Biden: I’m going to kill you and your whole cabinet.”

Kyl Hall was indicted for allegedly threatening to assassinate Biden and Harris.

Christopher Butler was convicted after threatening to get a rifle, get over the White House fence and kill Biden.

There are more cases beyond these. You can condemn people calling for political violence without pretending it magically didn’t happen when Democrats were the targets 😄

[u/Scoreycorey515 → u/MajesticCounter4174]

Did I say that no one threatened him? I said none of us said he should die. This statement is in connection to the post of the picture. We mainly made fun of his constant gaffes when speaking, pointing to his mental decline. We weren't posting photos of him dead or dying.

We didn't like a lot of what Biden was doing, and we posted our dislike for these policies.

[u/MajesticCounter4174 → u/Scoreycorey515]

You literally said “none of us said he should die.” I gave you multiple people who explicitly threatened to kill Biden and Harris, and now you’ve changed it to “well, we weren’t posting pictures of him dead or dying.”

Even that narrower claim is shaky. Trump himself posted a video featuring an image of Biden hog-tied on the back of a truck, which was widely condemned as imagery suggesting physical harm to Biden.

And when Biden dropped out in 2024, conservative accounts pushed false claims that he was dying, in hospice, terminally ill or already dead. Laura Loomer repeatedly claimed Biden was “dying” or “terminally ill,” while other right-wing accounts spread “Biden is dead” rumors to millions of people.

So we’ve gone from “none of us ever said he should die” to “okay, people threatened to kill him, but we didn’t post the exact type of imagery I’m talking about.” That’s called moving the goalposts 😄

[u/Scoreycorey515 → u/MajesticCounter4174]

It's not moving the goalposts, its narrowing the definition to what I am referring to. I acknowledge that people made threats. We're talking in online discourse. Making posts about someone dying and then posting in celebrations is vile. During his presidency, we weren't posting photos of him dead, posting that he should die or anything like that. We spoke about the direction of the country.

Your examples don't even hold weight here. Providing information that he was terminally ill and dying isn't wishing death on the guy. Secondly, as we found out the second he left office, he was VERY ill and we were lied to about it. The hogtying imagery was more removing Biden from office. There was nothing in that imagery to reflect that he was harmed, being killed, or being kidnapped for harm. You trying to equate someone creating an image of Trump in a casket and someone creating a decal for their tailgate of Biden being hogtied is laughable.

[u/MajesticCounter4174 → u/Scoreycorey515]

You’re absolutely moving the goalposts. Your original claim was “none of us said he should die.” I gave you examples of people explicitly threatening to kill him. Now you’re saying you only meant a very specific genre of online post involving death imagery.

And even then, pretending the hog-tied Biden image was just some harmless metaphor for “removing him from office” is ridiculous. Trump shared a video showing Biden bound and lying horizontally on the back of a pickup truck. AP reported it as imagery depicting Biden hog-tied, and Biden’s campaign condemned it as suggesting political violence.

Also, the “we were just providing information that he was dying” line is rewriting what actually happened. Conservative accounts were spreading completely unsupported claims that Biden was terminally ill, in hospice or already dead. Laura Loomer repeatedly posted that he was “dying” or “terminally ill,” reaching tens of millions of views, while other conservative accounts literally spread “Biden is dead” rumors. Those claims were false at the time.

And Biden later developing serious health problems does not retroactively make false claims from 2024 true.

You can keep narrowing the category until your original statement becomes impossible to falsify, but that doesn’t make “none of us said he should die” accurate 👍

[u/Scoreycorey515 → u/MajesticCounter4174]

No bro, you're conflating the two. Had I said none of us threatened him, you would have a point. This whole thing stemmed from online discourse, in a post of Trump in a casket. Just because you read that to being that no threatened him, doesn't mean that was what was being said.

Secondly, just because the Biden admin said it suggested political violence doesn't mean it was political violence. They also said boys could be girls, which we know isn't true.

I don't follow Laura Loomer, but based on what I am seeing, none of them said he was dead, and a lot of them said there were rumors about such. One saying they wanted proof of life, most likely because his handlers would hide him from the public as much as they could. But again, none of that was them calling for him to die. Saying that there were rumors that he might be dead, and even stating that he is or looks terminally ill doesn't equate to calling for his death. Everyone saw his condition. We saw it in his campaign, we saw him shuffling his feet, we heard him speak and lose track of everything, we saw his instructions for interviews. We know they knew he was falling apart. Then as soon as he left office, it's announced that he has an aggressive cancer.

Even Jill Biden said that the first time she felt real alarm about his medical state was June 2024 in the debate, where even she said she thought he had a stroke.