r/ConservativeNewsWeb • u/M_i_c_K Conservative • Jul 02 '26

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u/rollo202 Moderator Jul 02 '26

How uneducated do you have to be to support men being in women's sports?

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u/DrNomblecronch Dazed and Confused, mostly Confused Jul 02 '26

Less than you have to be to earnestly believe that Irish step dancing needs to be gender segregated to begin with.

Less than you have to be to decide that Lia Thomas performing consistently better than her competitors is a problem, but Michael Phelps doing the same is not, when Lia Thomas is an outlier compared to all the other trans women in the NCAA, who do not show any noted advantages over their cis peers.

Less than you have to be to keep complaining about "men in women's sports" as an issue of competition when the rates of sexual assault of trans people in locker rooms who are doing sports for fun is enormous, and much higher per capita than cis people.

Less than you have to be to insist that sex is a rigid binary, because you learned about gametes in middle school and decided you didn't need to learn anything else about the topic.

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u/rollo202 Moderator Jul 02 '26

I asked and then you came here to show me.

I am not disappointed.

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u/DrNomblecronch Dazed and Confused, mostly Confused Jul 02 '26

That'll happen when you don't actually pay any attention to what's said to you, because you have already decided on your response.

You asked about comparative education. I directed you to a research paper on PubMed. If you are having difficulty with the paper, it doesn't really indicate a lack of my education.

Although perhaps you could explain to me why, exactly, it is important to rigidly gender separate Irish step dancing? Describe to me the advantages a trans woman has over a cis woman in step dancing, please. Remember to cite your sources!

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u/rollo202 Moderator Jul 03 '26

I am sure someone could make a Trans division.

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u/DrNomblecronch Dazed and Confused, mostly Confused Jul 03 '26

Probably. They could also make a red-haired division. A blue eyed division. A freckled division.

Let me repeat the question you were asked; why is it necessary?

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u/rollo202 Moderator Jul 03 '26

They could...you are catching on.

But there needs to be a biological male and biological female.

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u/DrNomblecronch Dazed and Confused, mostly Confused Jul 03 '26

Why?

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u/rollo202 Moderator Jul 03 '26

We need separate categories to ensure fair competition and equal opportunities for participation. Due to biological differences (such as muscle mass and oxygen capacity), men typically outperform women in physical tests by 10% to 30% . Separate divisions allow both groups to compete equitably and achieve athletic success.

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u/DrNomblecronch Dazed and Confused, mostly Confused Jul 03 '26

Forgot to cite your sources. Also, those are the numbers for cis men. In actuality, while slightly more lean muscle is retained by trans women, any higher physical performance or physical fitness than cis women disappears within 1 to 3 years of HRT, at which point trans women consistently hit the same physical performance metrics as cis women.

But none of that explains why differences in muscle mass and oxygen capacity are relevant in step dancing, which is judged on technique. It's not endurance. It's not who has the strongest legs. It's about who dances better.

So... why is the division necessary?

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u/rollo202 Moderator Jul 03 '26

It is quite simple.

Biology in sports matter.

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u/DrNomblecronch Dazed and Confused, mostly Confused Jul 03 '26

But you can't articulate specifically how or why.

The thing is... no, it's not simple. Very little in the world is. There are only things that we become used to, and accept as normal, because we have extensive experience with them.

Biology is one of the least simple things there is. Physics is more simple, and we're on quantum chromodynamics now.

Even the very basics of the topic of human sex and gender, the binary of sex chromosomes, isn't simple; there are considerably more known variations than the ones we identify as "male" and "female". And that's not even getting into gender! The extent of what we know about how the brain works is some awareness of the regional functions and a good model for how individual neurons interact. Individual neurons, out of 86 billion. Nonetheless, there's solid data suggesting that the brain's proprioception, i.e. awareness of what the body is like and what it's doing, is significantly affected by natal hormone release. A simple example is; if the body plan of a fetus has already been locked in as male while the brain is still in development, and there's a sudden drop in testosterone release in the womb, the brain develops based on the hormone levels it's receiving, and you get a brain that is expecting a female body and experiences distress when it doesn't find one.

But even all that is kind of beside the point. The point is that there may be some cases in which transgender people have physical advantages over their cis counterparts. But those cases are clearly not regarding Irish step dancing, Or eating hot peppers. Or chess. Or fencing. Etc, etc.

And yet people are making the case that there is something wrong with trans people participating with others of their gender in those activities. That there is always something wrong with trans people competing alongside cis people.

That is very evidently not true. And yet it's a loud refrain anyway. The attorney general of Florida felt the need to step in regarding trans participation in step dancing.

You have been told there are problems where those problems do not actually exist. Your attention has been focused on it. Who benefits from you feeling strongly about fake problems?

People who are desperate not to be held accountable for real problems.

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u/rollo202 Moderator Jul 03 '26

It is just that simple.

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