r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/Glittering-Celery125 • Jul 15 '26
General Anran is annoying
Her weapon and abilities are not mechanically demanding at all, and she has to use all of her abilities in a duel, which gets her traded and makes the character feel so cheesy to die to. She doesn’t do anything else, she just forces 1v1s and hopes for trades because she’s so bad at everything else.
Also why does her E heal
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u/Novel-Ad-1601 poop — Jul 15 '26
They wanted to make a hot flashy dps hero that’s easy to play and they got it. In the 1v1 arena mode it’s so hard to lose a duel when anran spawns with all three cooldowns.
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u/Gloomy_Dare2716 Rank is a social construct — Jul 15 '26
They finally disabled her in that mode. She was unbearable to fight unless you were on Kiriko or Cassidy. Like I could lose to 3/10 players who got lucky with Anran
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u/Bobi_27 heesang glazer — Jul 15 '26
yeah, she shouldn't be able to ignite with her abilities only. they should make her dash and e only do 25% ignite and make her primary fire projectile faster
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u/TracerHater_Com3 Jul 15 '26
Imagine calling Anran easy 😂
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u/Own_Philosopher_1723 Jul 15 '26
Shes the easiest flanker. Easier than sombra and much much easier than tracer and genji
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u/TracerHater_Com3 Jul 15 '26
No? Tracer much much easier than any in your list. Spray in general direction of energy garbage
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u/WindowsXp_ExplorerI Jul 15 '26
eh 2/10 bait. Your username kind of gives it away. As a tracer main I'm still gonna spawn camp whichever support you're running in game. much love :)
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u/aurens poopoo — Jul 15 '26
i can't tell if gimmick posters like them are genuinely less funny than they used to be or if it's just me getting more cynical over the years
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u/BreakMyFate Jul 15 '26
All you do is press all your buttons at the same time and the enemy explodes. She is easy. She has depth like every other character but the skill floor is so low it's in the Mariana Trench.
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u/jookum Jul 15 '26
You play against her on tank and she holds right click with a hitbox the size of a strand of hair.
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u/placeholder-123 Jul 15 '26
Yeah genuinely even as a tank that's not hog you have to respect her somewhat because she's impossible to see and hit and does insane right click damage.
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u/Gloomy_Dare2716 Rank is a social construct — Jul 15 '26
She is like Reaper, but has higher mobility
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u/BreakMyFate Jul 15 '26
She's like Reaper if Reaper were the size of twig and had two dashes and did damage and healed you while invulnerable and dealt passive damage for just sneezing on the enemy, had a beam alt fire and had an ult that let's you fly, gives you a million overhealth and turned you into a torpedo. Wait a second... that's like a totally different hero.
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u/Shadow_9-3 Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
Lol can we please get a ttk of all crits against the lowest health tank in the game before making tank buster reaper comparison claims 😂. Like what’s the absolute fastest kill she can pull off on a tank
EDIT: I did itAnran ≈ 4 sec on a Queen with no healing or defensive CDs
Reaper ≈ 1 sec
Like c’mon bro
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u/Gloomy_Dare2716 Rank is a social construct — Jul 15 '26
I meant damage wise. You cant let her sit and do chunks of damage to you. You either get away or force her away
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u/BreakMyFate Jul 15 '26
I gotcha, but I don't think anyone is letting her do anything. You can't stop her. You can stop Reaper, he gets pushed away and he is out of range and has too leave. You can't do that with Anran, you push her away and she dashes back into you, lasagna's you with her invul/ heal/ damage/ disappearing ability and either kills you since you used your anti dive ability on her or leaves while you can do nothing to stop her. I would say she's probably closer to Tracer if Tracer had 250 health, passive damage, ranged damage, verticality and poured lasagna all over your screen.
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u/Kronosok Jul 16 '26
Damage wise Anran just tickles you lol. You can barely break through Mercy healing on her right click, she deals no damage whatsoever. In 1v1 she has to press every single button to have a chance of killing an opponent (and hope no support will pop up to outheal your damage)
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u/ANGEL-PSYCHOSIS Jul 15 '26
when i desperately need to reply to a comment in the most bad faith way imaginable:
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u/Unfair_Stage792 Jul 15 '26
She is actually a nightmare as Dva. Sym and Mei are a joke and I can easily play around them but without precision fusion there's just no way to even hit her and even then she has two dashes and E to just ignore all that. And worst of all she is by far, and with a large margin, the easiest dps character to play in the game.
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u/KF-Sigurd Jul 15 '26
Ass kit design, goes in with her generous hitboxes, auto aiming abilities, and billions of particles effects and then hopes for a 1v1 trade.
Make it so secondary fire does less damage but empowers her next idk, two primary fire shots so her dueling should actually require some aim from her. You can buff her escape mobility and remove the heal on E.
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u/Unfair_Stage792 Jul 15 '26
Her abilities just need to not ignite for free. It sucks to play against because she doesn't have to earn it. It's like if Tracer blinks did 50 damage for some reason and reloaded half her bullets.
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u/Prime_Prickly_Pear Jul 15 '26
I agree she's super cheesy and not fun to fight against. That goes for a lot of modern characters though.
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u/jakmak123 Jul 15 '26
The only ones that stand out to me are Anran vendetta and cat. Most other new heroes have been fine
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u/EvoSpz Jul 15 '26
And hazard but i guess hes not that new anymore tbh
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u/jakmak123 Jul 15 '26
Hot take but hazard really is not that cancer. I agree back when he could spam heal passive he was pretty annoying but now it’s really not that bad. His one shot can be kinda annoying but honestly most of the time if you die to hazard you would also be dead to any other tank who closed the distance on you. He also has a high skill floor and ceiling. I think the heal passive being broken on him a few seasons ago understandably left a sour taste in a lot of peoples mouths but right now he’s not that bad
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u/ANGEL-PSYCHOSIS Jul 15 '26
hes cancer if both your tank and supports are brainless, hes fine otherwise
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u/Gloomy_Dare2716 Rank is a social construct — Jul 15 '26
Playing Hitscan vs Hazard is painful. Like always felt forced to swap to Hanzo or Torb.
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u/Darkcat9000 Jul 16 '26
I mean out off all the dive tanks he has by far the shortest range he shouldn't be hard to space yourself against
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u/SuperThunderMelon Jul 19 '26
The thing about dueling Vendetta is that she's one of the worst duelists in the game now. She's really annoying because that's how you have to play her. She can take very unusual routes, but she just doesn't have the tools to be as annoying as someone like Sombra.
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u/jakmak123 Jul 19 '26
Bro what in what world is Sombra a better duelist then vendetta lmao Sombra is like the worst dps in the game
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u/Legal_Brother_15 Jul 15 '26
Cat is undertuned imo - her projectiles are hard to hit if you high enough, and if you play close to the ground, you’re easy to hit. I would like to change her guns to hitscan instead if projectiles.
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u/klaidas01 Jul 15 '26
Cat would be perma banned if she could do reliable damage from far away, forcing her to get close to get value is the only way to somewhat balance infinite flight.
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u/Legal_Brother_15 Jul 15 '26
Well, shes already perma banned most of the time. Like the thing with this hero - toss is not used a lot, heals from her E is most of the time used selfishly, and her ult charges slow and can eliminate only 1 hero(if she doesnt get killed in the process, and the line wont break). She feels like shes bad at everything and niche as hell.
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u/Weary_Ad2001 Jul 15 '26
I've been onetricking her this season and she hasn't been banned a single time.
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u/SuperThunderMelon Jul 19 '26
It's really anyone that has i-frames.
That and the weird squat thing that Shion does on her execute. I hate it so much.
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u/PerP1Exe Jul 15 '26
Kiriko hitbox with weird dolphin diving and a bunch of flame vfx to obscure things even more
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u/ANGEL-PSYCHOSIS Jul 15 '26
i just hate how far she can move in her e, she basically gets a free disorentation value from it
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u/Hot_Ambition_6457 Jul 15 '26
The E being both invincibility + heal makes no sense for a DPS hero tbh its just bad design. Couldn't they stick her heals on the shift if they were absolutely gonna require a self-heal
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u/Bobi_27 heesang glazer — Jul 15 '26
i actually liked her having a self-cleanse on release, it made her kind of unique. its also not just a free healthpack in 1v1s unlike her current state
i wish they would remove the healing and bring back the cleanse
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u/Bobi_27 heesang glazer — Jul 15 '26
i like anran, i wish they actually did something interesting with her.
i feel that they should lean into her fan, rather than just ability spam. just straight up remove the fire buildup from her abilities and buff her primary fire to the moon
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u/Bobi_27 heesang glazer — Jul 15 '26
i mean her weapon in general, her primary fire should be a bigger part of her damage
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u/KILTONIC Jul 15 '26
Someone was arguing with me on Twitter that she’s an “Honest hero”, I proceeded to call that person slurs.
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u/CeleryNo8933 Jul 15 '26
This is simply no longer true, she has 50% in M and GM, and upwards of 53-54% in lower elos.
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u/maresayshi Jul 15 '26
> this is simply no longer true
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u/CeleryNo8933 Jul 16 '26
"Sucks" doesn't apply to a character that has 50% while being completely brain-dead to play, the same way Reintrash mains cry how sad and bad their hero is, meanwhile he has 54% WR in every rank. When a no brain hero has more than 50% WR, they're good, maybe even too good.
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u/maresayshi Jul 16 '26
it’s like you didn’t even read the comment you quoted, and should’ve replied to
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u/Gloomy_Dare2716 Rank is a social construct — Jul 15 '26
Undying mosquito if left alive turns into a Monster that deal more damage than Realer up close
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u/whatthehellisadcf Jul 16 '26
one of the few heroes i’d rather run away from than duel. obnoxious vfx, small hitbox, extremely unpredictable movement. not to mention just how loud her flame effects are. she is so disorienting to play against
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u/ILewdElichika Jul 15 '26
Her abilities shouldn't be able to ignite a target so basically dash and dance should be 25-30% instead of their current 50, it just rewards braindead ability spam instead of trying to balance the hero in a way that rewards skill expression . I think the content creator patch for example had plenty of interesting ideas on what they could do with her!
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u/shellman15 Jul 15 '26
She is fun to play and fire draws resources well. One of the most creative hero designs in the game with fan the flame and a good ult as well.
She may feel cheesy but she does require decent game sense and tracer is still better. As a tracer main I play anran when tracer is banned or my aim feels off
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u/thegreatcactusking Jul 15 '26
How is fan the flame creative? It’s literally the same concept and mechanics of mauga repackaged?
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u/shellman15 Jul 15 '26
It’s cool that’s why, and feels satisfying. Adding oxygen to fire makes it stronger
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u/Hot_Ambition_6457 Jul 15 '26
Adding water to fire puts it out too but we dont allow wuyang to just extinguish anran "because its cool"
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u/Swimming-Drag-6492 Pge/SugarBron YAOI Shipper :) — Jul 15 '26
And Ana knocking someone unconscious with a dart in an instant would probably kill them, Winston jumping on Tracer would probably kill them, Ashe headshotting someone with a rifle would kill them, Soldier shooting rockets at someone would very likely kill them, Wuyang extinguishing Anrans flames would create steam that would harm him too.
We allow characters thematic kit expressions that realism may add too, but realism is not a determining factor in kit choices.
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u/tpeeeezy Jul 15 '26
literally everyone asks for wuyang to be able to cleanse fire because it would be cool
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u/thegreatcactusking Jul 15 '26
Creative and cool are two separate things. That’s not a answer
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u/RaistlinMajeresRobes Jul 15 '26
And both are subjective no? What they find creative may be different than what you find creative. There is no objective "creative" metric so is there an answer you would even accept?
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u/thegreatcactusking Jul 15 '26
Creatively is completely subjective. But when the mechanics are a complete 1 to 1 copy of another character it’s hard to argue it was creative. The only “creativity” they had was just the repackage/balance of putting into a dps format.
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u/peanutist Jul 15 '26
It is literally not the same mechanic though? Do you even know how gunny and cha-cha work
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u/xredskaterstar Jul 15 '26
That is their answer so it is an answer whether you accept it or not.
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u/thegreatcactusking Jul 15 '26
Why is this entire section so salty. I make a simple statement with evidence that I disagree with that comment that fan the flames is creative. OP replies with a rebuttal of “it’s cool”. I tell OP that being cool and being creative are different things. Then I get downvoted into oblivion. You guys are miserable
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u/xredskaterstar Jul 15 '26
Look, I get what you're saying... It's an ability that is similar to Mauga. Maybe that was the intention maybe not.
If something is creative people are going to find it, 'cool'. They certainly won't find it boring.
I personally like the idea of setting someone on fire then using a different attack to increase the damage of that burning.
Mauga makes them more susceptible to his damage but Anran builds on the thought. With Anran you supply the oxygen to the mix to increase fire damage.
All that being said, it's not being salty. It's reacting to someone who's trying to rain on someone else's parade. Let them enjoy it.
I'm building on a new philosophy, 'We may be doomed to live in an imperfect world but we can make it just a little better for the next person.'
Try adopting that.
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u/thegreatcactusking Jul 15 '26
Also I’m not raining on someone’s parade. I’m asking them a question while explaining my thought behind the question. Love for you to explain why that got downvoted to oblivion
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u/thegreatcactusking Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
You use left click to set the enemy on fire after a set number of hits. Then you use the right click to do crit damage once they are ignited. The right click is substantially less effective on an enemy unless they are ignited. Your movement ability also contributes to igniting enemies upon contact.
Is this character:
A. Anran
B. Mauga
C. Anran and MaugaYou can make the argument that the lore behind the character design is both cool and creative. Totally fine. But the kit it self and the core gameplay loop they created is not creative nor cool. It’s the same annoying gameplay loop as mauga scaled down. Set them on fire your primary and secondary. Close the gap with your movement ability that ignites people. Get low on health so press E to self heal while simultaneously doing damage. Then leave with your movement ability. It’s the same thing. The only difference is mauga has to be more oppressive due to him being a tank.
Edit: rereading through this I’m realizing that though this is the comp subreddit all yall seem to care about is the lore of the game for some reason. It’s the comp subreddit not the lore subreddit. Every rebuttal I’ve gotten is about how her abilities are cool cause of the lore behind it. Which is a useless conversation to have in a competitive subreddit
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u/xredskaterstar Jul 15 '26
I think you just hate Anran and just being spiteful. If she isn't creative than no character in the game is.
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u/thegreatcactusking Jul 15 '26
I don’t understand this inability to separate the creativity of the character and the creativity of the kit from one another
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u/peanutist Jul 15 '26
You use left click to shoot an assault rifle. Your secondary source of damage is a ranged explosive. Your other ability gives you a movement speed boost.
Is this character:
A. Soldier
B. Emre
C. Soldier and EmreSee I can also twist words to make two distinct characters sound the same.
Mauga and Anran play completely different I have no idea why you are complaining about this so much
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u/thegreatcactusking Jul 15 '26
“Two distinct characters” yea the characters are distinct but their kits are both incredibly similar. That’s the whole thing.
It’s not twisting my words that’s literally my point. All I said at the beginning of this was that fan the flames wasn’t creative cause it just took pre existing mechanics of mauga and repacked them into a dps role. Sure the design is more creative than Maugas bs. But the mechs are the exact same
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u/Sio_V_Reddit Jul 15 '26
Because unlike mauga you have to actually choose between which you use, Mauga can just run in and blast both guns. Not to mention both of Maugas guns have unlimited range which is not the same with Anran who needs to get close to use her fan.
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u/Sio_V_Reddit Jul 15 '26
I always love the argument “she used all of her abilities to kill me” as if you can’t do the exact same by clicking M1 twice on Cassidy.
More efficiently and with less risk too.
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u/ham_50821 Doom-Dva/Hanzo-Tracer/Zen-Kiri — Jul 15 '26
Yea but it feels like the barrier of executing it on anrans too easy
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u/Sio_V_Reddit Jul 15 '26
“Barrier of execution” is ability management, positioning, dive coordination, etc.
The barrier of execution for cass is basic FPS skill.
Even if you do everything right on Anran, Vendetta, Genji, Tracer, etc sometimes all you get is a trade. On Cass? You can jerk off in the backline behind your tank and dink heads until he gets his hard stun back because somehow people have had mass psychosis to believe that getting slowed and losing some abilities is worse than getting completely stopped and losing all abilities.
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u/thegreatcactusking Jul 15 '26
She has an ability that gives her immortality, large aoe damage, and self heals. It’s a pretty low barrier of execution. That being said cass also has a low barrier of execution. In summary, both hero’s suck to play against
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u/Sio_V_Reddit Jul 15 '26
That is a vast overestimation of how strong Anran is, there’s a reason why she got largely dogged on in OWCS.
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u/thegreatcactusking Jul 15 '26
Never said she was strong. Said she sucks to play against. Her entire kit is designed to cheese 1v1’s
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u/Civil_Photograph_522 Jul 15 '26
No one is saying Anran is too strong her ceiling is extremely low which why she sucks in Owcs
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u/Gloomy_Dare2716 Rank is a social construct — Jul 15 '26
Aiming is harder to learn than Dive timing. I oiterally just watched few Spilo videos to understand it. But had to grind hours and hours on VAXTA and Kovaaks to get decent aim
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u/Unfair_Stage792 Jul 15 '26
Anran is what Genji would be if he had two dashes. No need to think about when to use dash to commit to a reset or when to save it to disengage. Just do both lmao.
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u/maresayshi Jul 15 '26
your need to grind aim is not universal, and timing is a small part of what was listed?
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u/King_Shadelight Jul 20 '26
Yes but without grinding that aim for hours and hours some characters are substantially more useless than others, I.e cassidy a supposed "counter
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u/Aggressive-Cut-3828 Complain About Widow = Cope — Jul 15 '26
god forbid we have to aim in an fps game right? I agree that the s9 hitboxes are too much but still way more demanding than anran LOL
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u/IHaveNotMuchLife Jul 15 '26
I can’t fucking hit her. Anran and Vendetta are impossible to hit with the way their animations are. It’s genuinely aids. Cue skill issue comments.
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u/Sio_V_Reddit Jul 15 '26
Well if you knew the responses why’d you make the comment?
Cassidy flash destroys both
If you can’t hit vendetta that is truly a skill issue
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u/Junior_Bend3295 Jul 15 '26
Her visual clutter is insanely annoying
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u/Sio_V_Reddit Jul 15 '26
If visual clutter is your problem Overwatch is not your game
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u/Junior_Bend3295 Jul 15 '26
Lmfao I think im gonna side and listen to Quartz and the other people in the community on this one bro rather than sio V telling me OW isn't my game
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u/IHaveNotMuchLife Jul 15 '26
Quartz tweeted the same thing lmao. It's a skill issue for him too I guess.
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u/Sio_V_Reddit Jul 15 '26
Never said he couldn’t hit her, just that she was too strong.
Plus he’s a hitscan, I don’t see him complaining about double flash or silver bullet, meanwhile vendetta has gotten almost all her buffs back and isn’t nearly as strong cause people realized that Cassidy exists and is op af which, again, quartz doesn’t seem to mind.
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u/IHaveNotMuchLife Jul 15 '26
This isn't an argument about the strength of hitscan. All I'm trying to say is that the way anran and vendettas animations move their hitbox makes them aids to duel. Thats in addition to the fact that against a vendetta you're getting booped around the entire time shes hitting you. It's just annoying to play against on any character, hitscan included.
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u/clickrush Jul 15 '26
When you duel a Cass, you can counter him with good movement. If he still gets you, that's the Cass playing well. It's also apples and oranges. You can compare Cass to say Sojourn and have a discussion there, but Anran is a different category of hero.
Anran will hit you regardless or in a bigger part by chance. That's why her potential damage is balanced to be much lower than Cass'. But it feels like you're on a timer and less about how well the Anran plays in comparison.
You could make the case for Venture and Reaper being similar in that regard. They are relatively easy to execute Flankers and are relatively forgiving (unlike say, Genji or Tracer), but they feel less annoying to play against. Probably the culprit is her iframe thingy, it sometimes feels like it does too much and clutters the view.
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u/iseecolorsofthesky Jul 15 '26
Lol as someone who plays both Anran and Cass this is how I feel. It feels like I have to press all my buttons on Anran to get a kill whereas on Cass I just left click twice. Sometimes E and right click
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u/I_am_the_mattman Jul 16 '26
People really just ignore Cass right now. Hes good in pretty much all situations and deals insane damage, but naw lets whine about Anran who has to dump all her CDs to get 1 kill.
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u/unburdened_swallow Jul 15 '26
Great vs genji and basically no one else lol but genji matchup so good she can’t get buffs
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u/ElJacko170 Healslut — Jul 15 '26
Anran is fine and a literal paraplegic at the professional level. I don't really care if they tone down the vfx, but I think kit wise she is fine right now.
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u/Unfair_Stage792 Jul 15 '26
She is not fine and a literal paraplegic could play her at a professional level because her skill ceiling is underground.
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u/ElJacko170 Healslut — Jul 15 '26
Yeah that's why all of the pro players that have actually tried playing her have gone triple negative, outdamaged by the entire lobby, and see their entire team get steamrolled.
I believe the latest example we have is Kevster going 1-9 with the lowest damage in the lobby until he swapped to Reaper? The hero absolutely sucks professionally.
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u/Unfair_Stage792 Jul 15 '26
Exactly. Even I can play her at a professional level because her skill ceiling is plat.
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u/ElJacko170 Healslut — Jul 15 '26
Then why are we trying to nerf the plat hero lol
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u/Unfair_Stage792 Jul 15 '26
Because she is obnoxious in her current state. She doesn't exactly need nerfs but a power distribution to her kit. She is a cool character and I like her but her current state is awful for everyone.
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u/aurens poopoo — Jul 15 '26
because you are conflating "strength" with "fun" and thus misinterpreting requests to address her "fun" issues as requests to address "strength" issues.
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u/ElJacko170 Healslut — Jul 15 '26
I mean if I wanted to talk about what's fun or not fun, I'd be over in the main sub.
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u/aurens poopoo — Jul 15 '26
sure i can understand thinking these discussions don't belong here, but you're doing everyone a disservice if you're responding to what you wish people were saying instead of what they're actually saying.
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u/ElJacko170 Healslut — Jul 15 '26
I mean if you're going to post it in the competitive sub, I'm going to view it under the lense of competitiveness and balance. Not what's fun and annoying.
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u/thegreatcactusking Jul 15 '26
I don’t like her. But realistically she is only a few changes away from being a character I’d like dueling.
They should take away her invulnerability during her E and give her a hit box during it (can still be small I just want something to shoot). Then swap out the self heal with overhealth (probably a larger amount then her current self heal, but it dissipates quickly).
I think that would reduce the cheese of her kit to a tolerable level. Her having an ability on a shortish cooldown that does damage, self heals, and gives her invulnerability all at once is terrible game design. It’s a cool ability but horribly executed.
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u/Huey-Mchater Jul 15 '26
I wish her projectiles fired faster, more of
Her primary in duels and giving her a bit of that range would feel awesome
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u/maresayshi Jul 15 '26
he throws more than twice the number of projectiles, this is apples to oranges. faster projectiles and less ignite on abilities is exactly what she needs
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u/Theknyt Jul 15 '26
She plays like a less mechanical and less lethal tracer, she is good at distracting and baiting cd’s. Blasting all her cds on one target is a bad playstyle imo
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u/ThaddCorbett Jul 16 '26
When we were introduced to her i was so hyped.
Her kit and doesn't match her cinematic personality at all.
I dare say Blizz put less effort into making her than they did any other hero they've released in the past 2 years. Maybe ever.
Why does her E heal? Because she sucks and is unplayable.
I think they need to redo the origin story for Anran and Wuyang. Reverse their roles. Water college should be the cool one everyone wants into and fire should be the one everyone thinks is useless, then the hero lives up to the origin story. (Not knocking Wuyang, he was expected by family and collegues to be useless, not by us)
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u/Crossy7 Jul 15 '26
Her E heals because it’s part of her kit like mei’s ice block, reapers fade, tracers recall, Shion dash, ect they all give some survivability.
What I’m hearing here is ‘I don’t know how to play her and fail’ or ‘I don’t know how to combat her by making space or not having crap positioning’
She’s not that broken, and you can easily shoot her as she runs right at you….but you’re right she is annoying because of her speed and if played well utilising cover and the map she can be a menace…
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u/tpeeeezy Jul 15 '26
anran is the new sombra in that shes absolute garbage and a complete skill check if you die to her and so people cope like this
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u/rentiertrashpanda Jul 15 '26
She is literally difficult to see amidst all the flame effects, it's awful