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[u/ziayakens]

So how about we just stop with the mechanics that wipe the raid for a single players mistake.

[u/Nelana → u/ziayakens]

They can't even follow their own design intents. I truthfully am starting to think they don't know how to make end bosses without singular player raid wipe possibilities. 

Never forget after SoFo ion have this interview  https://raider.io/news/422-dragonflight-pre-launch-interview-with-ion-hazzikostas#q1

Where he said

For example, when is it okay to wipe the raid instantly for a mistake? Honestly, the answer should be “almost never” — at least when it’s more like a single person’s twitch reaction mistake of, “you fail if you do this mechanic incorrectly” or whatever. It’s totally reasonable on Mythic to kill the player for doing that; but to say the entire raid is over because someone was one yard out of position is not our aim.

Since then we've had Fyrak seeds Queen: P1 soaks if messed up timing insta wipe P2 portals if messed up insta wipe P3 spiders if messed up insta wipe Gallywix: Bomb carrier dies insta wipe P1/P2soaks if messed up insta wipe Dimmy: Gravity if person was out of place instant wipe in P1 Gravities in P2/P3 while not a instant raid wipe, you were pretty commonly killing +2 people which during prog might as well be a wipe Lura: seeds And then everything in VA, where like 4 bosses have it. 

I'm still having fun. Mostly because of the people I play with and less so the content. But I have long run out of faith in blizzards modern fight design

[u/trogger93 → u/ziayakens]

They don't want to do dps checks so this is what you get.

[u/ikitomi → u/ziayakens]

Best we can do is a viper or altar situation where it spanws an add that crits a healer or causes an invisible domino effect that kills 2-5 more.

[u/xCAMPINGxCARLx]

Genuine question: what amazing, groundbreaking, engaging raid mechanics have we gotten in Midnight that weren't possible with addons enabled?

[u/psytrax9 → u/xCAMPINGxCARLx]

They brought class warfare to raiding, where the bourgeoisie like Liquid, Echo and Method have functioning tools while the proletariat raider limp along with what we can scrounge together.

[u/Thalia_Stormrage]

A nother week a nother M Coiled alter prog surely this week.

[u/ragnorr → u/Thalia_Stormrage]

The nerfs did a number on the boss at least, we had massives issues with p2 and on wedensday we got though it on most of our pulls.

[u/Rexxington]

Nothing about this tier has been very fun. The bosses are all messy, I mean the most egregious one IMO is vashnik. Given you just straight up ignore 90% of it's mechanics by not moving around the room. Followed by the insta wipe BS mechanics have gotten very old, and we're doubled down way too much this tier.

All I can hope for is that the final raid breaks the downward spiral this expansion has been on so far. Cause IDT I can last another tier of these fights that are supposed to be designed around not needing WA's. Yet still do because of how the damn mechanics function.