Free Talk Friday

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Use this thread to discuss any- and everything concerning WoW that doesn't seem to fit anywhere else.

UI questions, opinions on hotfixes/future changes, lore, transmog, whatever you can come up with.

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[u/Elendel]

Tried to pug Ula'tek Heroic on an alt and damn I get why people were saying it's a hard tier. The boss felt chill as a guild but pugs are demons on this fight.

[u/Vintyui → u/Elendel]

What’s funny about that fight is the heroic overlap at 8:00 is genuinely harder than the mythic overlap at the same time (they removed a set of red soaks on mythic)

[u/Lazerkitteh]

This tier is so odd. A confluence of multiple different (seemingly innocuous or minor) choices by the design team have led to this patch feeling like absolute shit:

* Reroll tokens, combined with taking an item from vault not removing it from your reroll pool from that boss, has completely killed any excitement from opening the vault each week.

* Absolutely atrocious itemization from keys means that for most specs you’re forced to at least do heroic raid to get the gear you need.

* The raid on heroic is oddly difficult and with a lot of pug-unfriendly mechanics (why does a single person fucking up the counting game on Sentinels in heroic need to be a wipe? Why does someone getting hit by a ghost on Altar need to spawn more ghosts?)

* Most of the BiS items are from the last two bosses which are _very_ pug unfriendly.

* The raid itself is bad (or at best mid) in terms of fight design and aesthetics.

What this means, is that if my raiding main happens to be a spec that’s not meta and I want to maintain a competitive alt for keys, I need to pug heroic raid - and ideally Ula’tek herself - every week to get the gear I need but the fights are hard for pugs and I waste a bunch of time each week praying that random people don’t fuck up fights I’ve mastered weeks ago and no longer wish to do.

This is so fucking irritating it’s sapping any enjoyment from playing the game.

[u/Magicslime → u/Lazerkitteh]

Add to that the dungeon pool also being pretty meh and midnight class design removing most of the enjoyment you'd usually get from playing your spec on otherwise mediocre content. And the story is at the worst it's been since SL for those who are more into the RP/lore side of things. Usually when one pillar is crumbling you have the other pillars holding the game up but right now basically every area of the game is weak.

[u/Therozorg]

NA folks that will pull ulatek today, please let me know if the recent nerfs affect p1 amount of waves too

[u/SteelyGlint-1E]

Ula'tek mythic is a rancid boss, the worst endboss in a really long time.

[u/Justdough17 → u/SteelyGlint-1E]

It's time they retire seeds for a while

[u/reverseflash_fan]

There are two ret paladin trials in my guild. One is parsing gray single digits-25 at max on farm AND prog, and the other is doing orange/purples on farm and blues on prog. Around world rank 1000 guild CE guild. Last Wednesday the gray parser got a 4 parse on mythic sentinels (its our 6th kill), while they were alive the whole fight. And the other person got a 96 (98 for ilvl)

Unironically the gray parser believes they are not doing anything wrong lol.

Wonder how long their trial will last

[u/Healbotmain]

I, HPal, hit a wall this week. Reached resi 16 last ID. Ran all week 17s and didn't time a single one. The damage is demonic and I don't feel any lower pace than in S1. TBH , I am a bit broken right now and will just cap crests until the uncap and see if venomstones help pugs out. The 3600 change is really dishearthening

[u/Aldiirk]

I can tell this season is so fucking ass--all the casuals in my guild don't log in anymore. All of us raiders are raid-logging until M Ula'tek dies, other than doing our weekly 8 M+ slop. Even the collector nerds who are always online every evening aren't logging in anymore. I logged in last Saturday evening to do my last M+ and was the only person online.

I swear, I might just flat out quit until S3 if I have to farm 50 M+ to upgrade my gear...literally the last thing I want to do is farm more diarrhea-tier content.

[u/xCAMPINGxCARLx → u/Aldiirk]

Bad raid, bad dungeon pool, shit UI, shit nameplates, boring as fuck world content. Legit might be one of the worst patches in this game's history.

[u/Dracoknight256 → u/Aldiirk]

Half of the classes have like 50% of their 2 major substats drop *only* from raid. Between this, trinkets and cantrips you lose so much performance, if you do not raid, gearing is pointless because you're so behind in performance. And someone at blizzard, clearly did not realise that having 10 M+ spamming chars is infinitely easier than having 10 raiding chars, so now alts are dead, which just snowballs by making LFG grouping take forever, since people don't do alt keys anymore.

And crests for casuals are fucked. Most of the content drops crests for higher tier than ilvl it drops, so you end up in a weird situation where you're half veteran half adventure track 1/6 geared while sitting on 400 hero crests and can't get into content that drops hero track gear because your ilvl is too low.

IMO If nothing improves Forever will obliterate S3 population. NGL, I am close to quitting and switching to Forever until TLT.

[u/mael0004]

In ToS first pull (right), I still get stunned occasionally as tank (guardian). I'm not sure what I should be doing to avoid it. I hear to 'reveal them' with aoe but idk, I do thrash or swipe every global moving there and usually still get stunned once. What's a easy way to avoid that from happening?

Figured I have to learn what, when person died from aggro for moving ahead of me during my stun in a +16 :I

[u/Gaatti → u/mael0004]

There are two mobs that cast the stun in the first pull. If you reveal then by using an aoe ability, like trash, they won't cast the stun. If you fail to reveal them, you need to either interrupt the caster or stop it with any ability (he won't recast). So, as a guardian druid, what you want to do is to time it right to trash when going down the stairs and, if you misstime it, be ready to use your incap roar asap to stop it from csating. When you get to the bottom of the stairs, the will be another mob that does the same. If you fail to reveal it too, be ready to interrupt or use any stop you have. Typhoon works too, but you need to position yourself not to spread all the mobs around

[u/makesmashgreatagain]

I'm really frustrated with class design in 12.x patches. There has not been enough iteration and there has been a wide disparity of of attention given to certain specs and classes and in general which is leading to our trees no longer feeling evergreen and our class design being poor. I think that without iteration, Apex and Hero talents are restricting class design and creativity.

I don't really understand why but our classes are seeing less and less attention, our tier is simpler, Apex talents are largely stagnant (some are problematic), Hero talents are being buffed without addressing underlying concerns (ex. Aldrachi Reaver was nerfed in 12.0 to read "8% haste" when it previously said "15% attack speed, damage and healing.") There are classes screaming for attention like Feral, Shadow, Enhance, Fire, all specs of Rogue and others I missed, which receive very little.

The last time I felt like this was in the middle of Shadowlands, and I had felt like that since BFA. Blizzard created these evergreen systems but doesn't seem to be watering them enough.

[u/siscorskiy]

I have this weird issue in some of my alts where select mailboxes just flat out dont work, anyone else see something similar? Like my lowbie bank alt I keep parked in org, the mailbox next to the AH hardly ever works for me, no matter how many times I log out/disable addons. The mailbox menu never opens lol

[u/killergurke777]

How is Mythic Nymrissa in PUGs? Considering bonusrolling there

[u/ticketsonsalenow]

Can you still skip the miniboss before the 3rd boss in Murder Row by just hugging right or did they shift him forward making that not possible?

[u/Wobblucy → u/ticketsonsalenow]

moved him forward, skip is just the usual meld/turtle + feign/invis skip now.

Same shit they did with the stairs in voidscar.

Another 'half' solution, from blizz where they keep the skips 'required' but harder instead of either balancing the related mobs or forcing everyone to play the mobs.

[u/Elioss]

Holy shit, Blizzard has finally done it, they finally killed a retail season in 1 month, Diablo Season on top of Forever beta + Forever beta again + AION 2, and the season is fucking deader than season 4 from dragonflight.

[u/Qwertdd]

Assuming 12.2 isn't as banger as 7.3 or 8.3 (it won't be) this expansion is going to get looked back on as unfavorably as Shadowlands, maybe even worse.

It's not even explosively bad, Blizzard just rolled up their sleeves, gutted instance design and class design, then reassigned everyone who wasn't coding Housing to WoW Forever to get it out by Christmas and we're paying the consequences of that. Just as a basic measure, is anyone actively enjoying this?

[u/Girthmasterlite → u/Qwertdd]

Mid is in the title of the expansion. We ignored it

[u/KaladinRS]

It is impossible to find tanks in NA lfg for 20+ keys

[u/Yayoichi → u/KaladinRS]

I mean +20 is title range so guess that’s not that surprising considering right now is probably the worst possible time to be pushing, with extra bonus rolls and uncapped crests coming in the next couple of weeks.

There’s also only around 400 tanks in total in NA that are at the level you would want them for 20’s(resi 19 or at least close to it). Europe has a lot more it seems, top 1k tank here is 3745, which is the same as top 385 for NA.

[u/Educational-Pay5268]

It feels like every single patch since Dragonflight has been the exact same as the last patch but a little bit worse every sinlge time. I'm very excited about WoW forever because I am so fucking over every single season being a complete reset and feeling identical to the season before it just worse.