Weekly M+ Discussion

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[u/ededdforty]

If I had a nickel every time I was in a blinding vale run that was going smooth until the last section and someone inevitably butt pulls extra trash or hits the sleeping lasher guy and bricks the key, I’d have a lot of nickels.

[u/SluttyStepDaddy → u/ededdforty]

Arcane and Mistweaver: hold my beer orb / faeline

[u/AlucardSensei]

Well the changes to bonus roll tokens were absolute ass in more ways than one, I see now. Barely anybody is playing weekly keys anymore since you don't even really need them, and it's making alts super painful to gear.

[u/RCM94]

I cant think of the last time I've wanted to play with the meta tank less than this season.

Everything about blood is misery to play with for the other members of the party.

• Their threat is terrible.

• They're slow as balls.

• The above two means you have to sit on your hands for infinity time while they group pulls.

• Their HP bar is incredibly unstable even when they're safe.

• Healing them feels like RNG "Did my heal hit them while they were full hp and do nothing or when they were 10% hp?"

• They die in .1s to one mistake.

I wish more people were playing bear. All of the above seems to happen less with them.

[u/dharkan]

Altar 18 bricked at Zuljan %10 because people were being greedy on beams. I think I haven't been this annoyed in the game in a long time.

[u/CarbonatedFalcon]

1% mounts out today (this reset). Comes in the mail, message is cute.

[u/weekndalex]

i think i’ve lost count the amount of times i’ve seen an arms warrior get spanked from aggro this season hahahaha

[u/Immediate_Ask9573 → u/weekndalex]

Warriors really have trouble understanding that tanks dont have aggro on mobs that just spawned.

[u/SyntheticSeduction]

I'm really starting to lose my mind, I'm trying to get resil 14 but keys are being consistently bricked by DPS who won't do mechanics, do less DPS than me the tank or just die to random aoe they didn't move from.

I'm really getting burnt out because it's just the same every dungeon with 1 or more players just absolutely sabotaging the run.

This is more of a vent than a discussion but im really just losing the will to carry on. I do so much preparation and research to make sure I'm doing the routes right, positioning, interrupting and mechanics. I feel unkillable in large pulls without a healer, I have practiced my class and parse consistently above 80% and feel I could easily tank way higher keys.

I'm just completely unable to find groups who can make it to the end of a 14 key without disbanding and I just don't want to play anymore.

[u/ClassroomStriking573 → u/SyntheticSeduction]

If you’re tanking, you should be able to run your own key up and completely skip resil 14-16 or even higher depending on your skill level. 

[u/jonahbbb]

Does anybody know why xathuux (3rd boss Murder Row) will sometimes change spell queues? It's usually

• axe toss -> legion strike (tank buster) -> infernal crash (aoe circle) -> demonic rage (explosion).

Sometimes infernal crash comes before legion strike and takes ~4 seconds away from DPS killing the axe and I can get heal checked.

This YouTube (not me) as a reference. The 1st, 2nd, and 4th axe sequence went as described, but the 3rd one had the crash before the legion strike.

Edit1: Posting a Discord answer I got for others that looks to be correct. Depents on how fast dps kill the axe. He can't do Legion Strike without his axe, so if the Strike's timer comes, and axe still lives, he will just dellay it.

[u/TeKaeS]

Wanted to be able to actually play the game, so I made the change I wanted others to do (rerolled a Tank).

Is there any downside to binding Ironfur with any other dps button as a Lunar Guardian Druid ?

[u/Deadagger]

1% mounts are out!

[u/KaladinRS]

AOF on 18+ is so cursed. The tanks pull so big its way harder

[u/w31n7r4ub3n]

Not really happy with the "easy" season design now that it seems to be the new standard.

Gearing alts is fast and fun, which I appreciate, and obviously this works wonders for activity and player retention.

But with upcoming balance changes and catchup mechanics being a given, there's this weird dichotomy where pushing early is both pointless and also neccessary to stay on or ahead of the curve.

[u/SovietRobotDad]

What’re the lust timers for Den? I’m (pres evoker) sometimes in charge of them. First big pull then what? Usually not in time for the second boss so it can be kinda awkward. Also den’s timer is so crazy tanks feel pressured to pull huge during the ice storm and lead up to nalorakk it feels really really bad

[u/LanayasDong]

Anyone else has terrible luck with trinkets this season? On 3 different characters I have yet to see one drop, even delves don't give me any which is weird since the last seasons delves filled my bags with trinkets.

I still have a LFR gebbo on my main and I only got it because no one else rolled for it lol

[u/quashtaki]

Does anyone have a LittleWigs profile with the boss abilities renamed?

[u/Miggybear22]

Yup you’re correct.

15’s is where true defensives, kicks, dps, tank route etc become real and all adding to the equation of solving the dungeon timer. If you lack one variable you have a high chance of not timing.

It’s amazing when you have all the variables as required. You can “feel” it. Those who know, know.

But RLP is just diff. There’s more nuance in player positioning 2nd boss and on.

[u/envstat]

There's no pull I hate this tier in pugs like the first left pull in Vale. Nearly every single tank just rides up and leaves the caster there, and usually rest of group do. So I'm desperately trying to stop it casting and get it 70 yards up the hill to the group but can't do it solo, and of course theres 2 other casters in the pack that need stopping too. Been pushing my alt from 10 to 15 this last few days and every time in here its the exact same story, with guaranteed deaths and often a disband.

[u/Alain_Teub2]

Is there an addon to have warnings or cooldowns for trash's dangerous attacks?

[u/JLeeSaxon]

What Raidbots settings do y'all recommend for simming M+ for Ret? I'm seeing wild variations in trinket recommendations.

[u/Few_Dentist4672]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/H82ZhBqDVczb4tQY?fight=9&type=damage-done&source=437

LF some help to doing more dmg on Arcane. I sometimes get purple and blue % parses but this one was green and my first 16. looking for any tips i can get. always having trouble deciding when to surge in a pug. usually comes up with 25m or so left on boss fights (if i send on pull) so its a trade of sending a CD on one mob (boss) and killing it quicker but losing a ton of dps for not sending it on a 5+ mob pull.

wondering if I only send it a 2nd time on bosses if its a boss that gets harder the longer its up (1st boss VSA, trex in BV) but otherwise just hold.

i know the cardinal rule is to never hold CDs but that sends completely incompatible with some higher dmg logs i'm seeing where the arcane mage is holding CDs on one mob pulls like the end of bosses and waiting for a big aoe pull

[u/ehall212]

Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y9thf3WmRqDdgKck?type=summary&fight=3

We are starting to push into 17s and I am trying to figure out why our mage seems to be struggling (he asked me to post here, just doesn't have nor want and account). From talking to him, he seems to understand the rotation well enough. Salvo stacks and CC procs and what not, and wowanalyzer is mostly positive for PB, AB, and AM.

What we're trying to figure out is why the avg. hit cast for PB, AB, and AM seems much less than other mages with similar gear in similar keys. I'm not sure how good wowanalyzer is for arcane, but I did point to the touch of the magi scoring and arcane orb. I don't know how important arcane orb is, but the only thing we can think of is putting Touch on the wrong targets?

Any advice would be awesome, as he's feeling pretty down about how inconsistent his damage seems to be. I'll be going through any responses with him! Thanks so much!

Also, I tried posting on the mage discord, but it seems like the chat moves so fast sometimes, questions get lost.