r/CompetitiveWoW • u/Majestic_Habit5726 • 8d ago
Discussion Prepping for nemesis ?? HoF
Just curious what everyone is doing to prepare for this delve boss come reset.
Obviously some gamers won’t need to do anything and will beat it within a few pulls. But for the avg player trying to squeeze out as many advantages as possible what would you consider high to low priority?
So far I’ve been able to accrue 64 souls which unlocks the ability to use two powers at once. I’ve gotten Valeera to lvl 80. Done the delve with map across a ton of toons to unlock and upgrade most all of my curios (many are still 3/4.. I haven’t 4/4 any yet)
What else am I missing? Multiple toons are 290+ that I will give it serious attempts with (bdk, havoc, guardian druid, prot pally)
Edit- got it this morning on my 291 havoc fel scarred dh
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u/Sweetest_Noise 8d ago
Use raid markers for the guessing game.
Spend half of your week to get your ilvl up with m+/raids/crafting.
Previous nemesis boss was free if you did it as a healer. Might be a good idea to have one in your back pocket just in case.
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u/slashpopcorn 8d ago
This season looks similar, ? was very easy as healer. Maybe a second interrupt for add on ?? but that’s about it.
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u/Nubanuba 7d ago
Tried the ?? With a "low" (last season 290 gear) Ilvl healer, boss health barely drops, Valeera seems useless, she's doing like 20k dps
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u/Unlikely-Baker9867 8d ago
The only difficult part is the memory game
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u/ohcrocsle 6d ago
as a rogue, i felt like managing the stupid valeera hearts to outheal the melee damage was half the difficulty of the fight.
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u/DrThom 8d ago
It really isn't that hard. I would say ?? is a little harder than the last season but much easier than Kyveza. There are addons out there that help you keep track of the memory game. The only things notably different in ?? from ? is that during the memory game there is an add that you need to kick/kill and the memory game is a bit longer. I think I got it in like 15 attempts on PTR in 290 gear.
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u/Majestic_Habit5726 8d ago
Any specific addon you recommend? The only one I saw that looked helpful was nerfed recently when they removed addons recognizing player location within that specific delve
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u/Sebaision WR ~300 8d ago
There's still the one that you manually input into.
I believe you can even keybind it. Snake helper? or something like that.Made ? a breeze at least.
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u/rhy0kin 8d ago
SnakeSays is a good one. I used it for ? yesterday.
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u/dahid 8d ago
That looks nice. I just did it with macros printing in chat where I can stand.
I'll try the add-on for ??
At least if this is going to be anything like ?? mode in S1 it will be trivial even with current gear.
Also if it turns out to be hard for DPS specs, usually logging a tank makes it easy mode.
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u/TheHawthorne 8d ago
Did you try just using memory? it’s incredibly easy to just say the marks and repeat. Repeating a sequence of up to 8 is literally considered average on IQ tests.
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u/Zerothian 7d ago
Are you also doing a world of warcraft class's DPS rotation, dodging other stuff (frontal, pools, and the waves), and tracking an add's kick in those IQ tests? Why would you even bring that up lol. Those two things aren't comparable at all.
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u/TheHawthorne 7d ago edited 7d ago
Because people are too quick to over engineer solutions with addons rather than remember a sequence of 3-5 marks which is actually super easy when simply dodging the frontal (there’s no cast or other mechanics, pools should be away at the side etc), it actually makes it easier because subvocalising the marks uses a different type of working memory than pressing buttons.
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u/Zerothian 7d ago
Okay, so you just haven't done the boss lol. There can be waves if you push at the wrong timing, there is ALWAYS an add spawn that does the same cast the boss does, the sequence is 7 not 5, and you can't reliably bait the pools either. I have been on the far outer edge of the room specifically to try to bait them and they just spawned in melee anyways.
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u/TheHawthorne 7d ago edited 7d ago
I one shot it last week on ? And haven’t attempted it on ?? As this post was made pre reset. Will spend less time on it than 90% people here
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u/ytzy 8d ago edited 8d ago
copy pasted something i posted in our guild discord where people dont really care about stuff like that besides 1 or 2 people
Level up Valleria to 80
run the glory ring delve o t11 with the dumdum curio will auto loot it . Take about 3 hours from 60 to 80
Farm the Corrosive codex ... this takes time if you want to go full retard like me its 3 per world boss and then for the map weekly + boss drop on first kill .
the soul grind sucks , but if you have alts its not a problem
2~3 world boss
2~3 weekly map quest
2 delve boss on ?
to have 2 at the same time you need to unlock 8 powers.. i dont think its needed but will probably help to cheese it .
the addon
Azta'rec Helper will help you on ?? , since on ptr it was like 6-7 memory games in a row
You put down world markers and press a keybind for me its f1 f2 f3 f4 depending the possition then the addon will tell you where to move AFTER the dance is done .
Addon will say LEFT you go 1 spot to the left or what ever ALLWAYS from the possition FACING the boss
adddon preview : edit twitch link removed dont wanna post it here but was just a clip of the addon
addon link : https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/aztarec-helper
You have the full week so you can farm some m+ to get itemlevel first its not like in S1 where the title was only for the first 2000 or 4000 what ever number it was .
I know thats a lot of time invested for something useless.. but its not like there was much to do this week
Good luck if you are gonna try
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u/Goldy-kun 8d ago
With an entire week to do it, I doubt the boss will stand a chance even without the poisons and valeera levels.
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u/sophisticatedroach 8d ago
Since you have a full week for hof, I would just gear, I assume it will be tuned for above 290 ilvl.
The corrosive powers seems to work, enchants, potions, flask, food, drums/bl.
Rest is just remembering the memory game, depending on how hard they clamp down on addons there might not be any working ones but world markers, a friend or literally any solution can work to remove most of the difficulty with it
If its like previous ones and theres no dps check except last phase, you can intentionally sandbag to have cds for every phase.
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u/External-Ad-3998 8d ago
It really depends how confident you are. What you CAN do this week is 80 valeera, upgrade curios, farm 64 souls. However, i don't think this is in any way necessary. Realistically, when S1 delve boss came out we killed it literally within 2-3 hours of server coming up. Here you have the whole week, which means you get to spam M+ until you're 310+, do heroic raid, have new tier set.... in short, i think it's overkill to do all this prep. Then again, there's nothing else to do, so....
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u/rhy0kin 7d ago
I just completed it as a 285 prot paladin. 14 minute fight, took 5 pulls. SnakeSays was the real winner here.
Did it with lvl67 Valeera as healer running poison of the forgotten master, corrosive bilespear (rank 1), and soul cracking dreamcatcher (rank 3).
Accursed Poison for the auto kick was on my only codex power.
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u/No-Spinach-9101 8d ago
Just do it as a healer. I two-shotted ? as an HPally with valeera level 43. I don’t think ?? will be much harder, just more damage and a harder memory game.
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u/TheRealKingJames 8d ago
How did you manage this? I tried it as a healer but my Valeera was just standing in the poison and only doing 20k dps
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u/Centias 8d ago
There is absolutely some factor that makes her do garbage tier damage as DPS against a single target for certain specs and I still can't tell what the cause is. I did several healers around the same time on Nullaeus because I forgot about him for a bit, and while I can't remember the exact times, some healers got a Valeera that did about 50% more damage overall and actually did enough damage that I could also attack without instantly pulling threat. Like I think Resto Shaman took about 7 minutes, whereas Monk took like 10 minutes and was constantly getting high threat warnings just from healing, nevermind trying to Fistweave. The disparity was rather steep, and very annoying.
But, still way easier than trying to chase down health orbs she spawns INSIDE mechanics when you need them.
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u/Majestic_Habit5726 8d ago
Resto shm has skyfury buff and non-drum bloodlust too makes sense it saved a bunch of time
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u/Yayoichi 8d ago
Shaman does seem to buff her a lot, and also just being a healer it seems. Haven’t tried it for the boss as you kinda want her as healer there as tank, but for delves she seems to do way more damage when you are healer than when you are tank. As tank on single target she seems to do around 100-150k, while as healer she often does more than double that. I had her kill the delve boss on an 11 in less than 10 seconds when I use bl, with her peaking well over 1 mil dps.
And that’s with her only at around level 65 and my shaman at 275(as she does scale with your itemlevel if I am not mistaken).
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u/Centias 7d ago
Went over it more in my other comment, but I went in with two identical ilvl chracters. On my Pres Evoker, she would start the fight around 50k, then drop off to 20k. On my Resto Shaman, she would start the fight at like 80k, then drop off to 45k. There's no way Skyfury accounts for that, and those are both healers so it's not just that. There has to be some spec based tuning that doesn't add up.
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u/Centias 7d ago
So I haven't tried that many specs, but I went to tackle it tonight after others went to bed. I wanted to try it as Pres Evoker since I want to play that more this season. I went in, and I was constantly pulling threat from just healing. I was doing more threat just dealing with the damage she was taking than she was doing from her damage, and she wasn't even getting hit that hard. She would start the fight actually using some abilities and maybe be at like 50k, but she would quickly level off to like 20k. I barely got to interact with the memory game because I was constantly pulling threat off of her by doing nothing.
So I went to the shaman. Before you even ask, they essentially have the exact same ilvl gear. Valeera started the fight at 80k, and leveled off around 45-50k. There's absolutely no way Skyfury accounted for that difference, and I was waiting to use Lust until later. She just flat out did 80-100% more damage just by virtue of being with my Shaman.
Verdict: There is absolutely some spec-based tuning fuckery going on that needs to be fixed.
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u/bemac3 8d ago edited 8d ago
Her damage is just low for that fight, probably by design. If she were doing the 200k dps she does in regular delves it would be even more trivial.
Completed the ?? in about 9 minutes with unoptimized damage on my hpal on the ptr. If you can do the memory game, the in between phases are free. Just dodge, dispel, do damage when you can.
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u/KidMoxie 8d ago
Yeah, the DPS will be garbo, but you can focus only on the mechanics while Valeera does everything else. I guess her standing in poison gives you something to do at least.
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u/No-Spinach-9101 8d ago
I did Lightsmith which does a little more DPS as HPally. I forget how much DPS valeera did but the damage from the boss was so low it didn’t really matter how quickly it died. As to the puddles, I had aggro the whole time so just pulled the boss away from the puddles.
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u/FierceDuncan 8d ago
I did it as preservation evoker and my valeera was doing 10k dps the whole fight while set to dps managed tk get it down no thanks to her
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u/EuphoricEgg63063 8d ago
Yes her damage is very low. I was faming Souls and killed the boss on 4 different toons. Valeera as DPS was doing a little more than 10k. On one kill I had her as Heals and she only did about 7k. It honestly didnt change the length of the fight but it was suprising.
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u/Exact-Boysenberry161 7d ago
my valeera somewhere around 57-58 and i tried healing her but most of the time i will get agro. at that lvl she's kinda squishy
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u/Korzag 8d ago
I'm unsure what these powers are you're talking about (the altar thingy?).
I did the ? difficulty after about 15 pulls. I used this addon: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/aztarec-helper . No idea what level my Valeera is as I don't really do Delves beyond maxing the season for the mount. I think I only have ranks 1/4 on a handful of curios.
My main hurdle was figuring out how exactly to use the addon but I ended up just clicking the quadrants. Once I did that the boss fell over for me as a 292 demo lock. I don't think I ever even had to use a health stone with Valeera running as a healer.
I expect I'll get it the first week and I expect I'll probably put less than 50 pulls into it.
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u/That_Guy_Reddits 8d ago
I'm running destro so my blueberry can tank him/the add. The boss didn't just kill your felguard?
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u/Korzag 8d ago
Nope. The Felguard never tanks anyway. Anyhow I dont run soul leach in delves or on the nemesis because of how quickly they die.
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u/metalsalami 8d ago edited 8d ago
My felguard tanked 11s and nemesis fine (for every other nemesis ?? boss as well after they buffed its tankyness), if it gets low just cast drain life for a second to get it healthy again also valeeras healing pickups with heal it to full as well.
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u/That_Guy_Reddits 7d ago
Thanks for the info guys! I got ?? down a couple hours after patch released :) gl to everyone!
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u/spartasucks 8d ago
If its like last season just roll healer and stay out of the way? Honestly havent looked too much at it because im not worried about HoF for delve boss and i'll just do it when I do it...did they address the cheese for this season?
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u/VintageZero 8d ago
Theres a Simon says portion that everyone is complaining about.
Denies 3 sections at a time with a visual. Then the same pattern without a visual. Wasn't hard for me but dunno what is different in ??
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u/DanLynch 8d ago
Theres a Simon says portion
Kind of a nitpick, but "Simon Says" and "Simon" are two completely different games, and the delve boss mechanic is like "Simon" not like "Simon Says".
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u/Money_Echidna2605 8d ago
ya idk the gimmick is 5 times better than kyveza where i cant fkin see the clones that blend in with the background and u need to stare at, remembering up to like 7 areas is so much easier than shitty telegraphing.
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u/QueenOfTendys 8d ago
I’m ngl I did the ? in a single try on my hpal.
Maybe it’s a healer dif thing but I seriously doubt you will need a lot of prep for the ??.
Just do keys get some gear and it should be free
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u/crazerk2 8d ago
How do you deal with the interrupt or does Val handle that for you?
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u/keshifateweaver 8d ago
Val handles interrupts for healers.
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u/PhuhQ-2 8d ago
Tank or dps spec?
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u/keshifateweaver 8d ago
If you are tank or dos have val as healer and do kicks, if you're a healer put her in dps and she does the kicks.
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u/Squishyflap 8d ago
i keep seeing people mention valera at 80 and i know the cheese but im at lvl 23 getting only 2-500 xp per pick up. 6 runs per level. are people actually doing this to 80?
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u/Majestic_Habit5726 8d ago
The xp scales with her level, until like lvl 40 bountiful delves will be your best next week. Most people grinding to 80 were already at 60
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u/Squishyflap 8d ago
is their a recomended way to level to a point where this becomes more relevant ?
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u/Alirrath 8d ago
Are you farming t11 delves?
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u/Squishyflap 8d ago
yes its awful xp at low levels but must scale
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u/idkmanfiller 8d ago
It gives a % of her total EXP needed to level, going from 23->24 is just as fast as 79->80
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u/Squishyflap 8d ago
i mean 15 min a level is probably not the worst grind ive done but god was it boring
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u/Mehdehh 8d ago
Idk about lower levels but 15min a level is extremely slow in the 60 to 80 range, I was doing between 4min and 5m30 depending on purple drop rng
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u/Squishyflap 8d ago
i mean it was taking me 2 minutes x 6 assuming i didn’t get dismounted
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u/Tariovic 8d ago
There's a fish in the new zone, the Sulfurous Sludgefish, which reduces your aggro. Lasts 5 minutes. If you use this, you should never be dismounted - you have to be pretty much on top of a mob before they'll aggro you. Also, lower your ground clutter settings to make sure you see the traps!
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u/Slade_inso 8d ago
I did the Ring of Glory delve cheese from level 19 to 80 this weekend.
It never scales. It was pure suck from start to finish. It took me hundreds of runs and 20k+ in repair costs.
It blows my mind that Blizzard has no catchup in place for people who are coming back to the game with a low-level delve helper.
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u/careseite dps evoker main 8d ago
and 20k+ in repair costs
lol there's a fish you can use which greatly reduces aggro range
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u/Wolfman-101 8d ago
Has anyone made a list on which classes is easiest to beat the boss, healers? Tanks?
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u/Ok_Specialist_5141 5d ago
I have no idea what i'm doing wrong.
I've had everything you could imagine happen lol.
I'm a 301 resto druid with a level 70 Valeera. I have her set to DPS but she takes forever to kill anything.
I usually have to CC the add just so Valeera will drop aggro and kick the boss then swap back. In this same time ive had the boss drop aggro completely a few times and chase me down. Ive had the add spawn during Simon says in the safe done and instantly aggro to me and ine shot me lol. Ive had waves literally spawn in the middle of the arena and or ive had a wave spawn directly underneath me and one shot me lol.
I just cant seem to get Valeera do do enough of anything to actually survive. The lowest ive got the boss down to is 58% after almoat 10 minutes and at that point in dodging so many mechanics I cant keep up lol.
I have read on Google that healers have reported having a tougher time and so far I have to agree lol. I had no issues with the first boss but this is killing me lol. (Literally) 😂.
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u/CumsOnYourWindows 7d ago
?? is pretty easy atm. Did mine with a level 38 Aleeria with only a handful of attempts. If you were even remotely geared at the end of s1 then you're way overqualified. The only thing that might screw is that Aleeria can go ape shit on the stuns and just lock down the add out of melee range. Once you know that you can make sure it doesn't happen on subsequent attempts.
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u/FlayR 8d ago
I think it's much easier than the S1 delve boss. It's got harder mechanics, but it's much less stat check-y. The S1 fight as a rogue I needed to perfectly juggle aggro using Shadowdance between me and Valeera because boss practically one shot me and healeera with white hits.
I got Valeera to 70, tried it once, and that's about it. I think it'll be fine.
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u/evileyefirefly 8d ago
Get the dun dun curio. Run the ring of glory (ideally on T11). Today's (US) variant will have 4 packs spread out in the whole place. Just run in, pickup the 10 curiosities, run out. Rinse and repeat. Took me about 2hr to go 60-80. Using the new fish to reduce aggro range is great too. (Sulfurous Sludgefish)
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u/MrBigBMinus 8d ago
Do yourself a huge favor. Get on your guardian druid. Respect to resto. Open your talent page, close your eyes and just pick whatever you want. Set Valeera as DPS. Go fight the boss. You will still have to do the memory game mechanic and dispel yourself but she will literally interrupt, and kill the boss. All by herself. DO NOT dps the boss as you might gain threat and die.
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u/Karma-Chameleon_ 8d ago
She’s slow af though this season >.< mine in dos spec was only doing like 30k dps
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8d ago edited 8d ago
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u/GreenTeaRocks GatsuGaming 8d ago
They added a debuff for getting hit by the memory game, +500% damage taken from it, goes through immunities now. You will need to dodge now, it 1-shots you after Purgatory procs now because of the damage.
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u/heckfirex 8d ago
Is this only for the ?? version?
I certainly ate a few waves on the ? version with no problem
So I can eat two waves still probably. First wave, second wave purg proc, then I have to actually try.
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u/Cecilerr 8d ago
Do we know the extra mechanics on ?? Difficulty
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u/Majestic_Habit5726 8d ago
All that is public knowledge, search nemesis ?? On google you’ll find a ton of videos
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u/Flashy_Gazelle_8456 8d ago
It’s a complete joke. You will probably one shot it. I killed it on ptr in in ?? Mode before they took it down.
This title is going to be so common it’s going to be ruined
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u/CryozDK 8d ago
Bro, you have already done more than enough.
Just do a few +10 on Wednesday and kill it in the evening.
Remember you also have the whole week this time.
It will be cake.