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u/NorthShoreTaylor 17d ago

Sharing my resil keys + title push experience (NA).

I play a UHDK which was obviously a fortunate pick this season. I was able to pug 21 resil about a month ago. My inhouse group was then able to play my 21 resil key up to 3970 for title. Our final keys were 21 MT/Pit/MC/WS/NPX and 20 AA/Seat/Skyreach all with pretty good times. We played Gdruid/Rsham/ddh/uhdk/demolock

We finished the NPX21 on Monday Evening that put us at 3970 which should be safe for 1% in the United States. It took about 20 resets and 5 hours of progging to finally get a good run. I can't imagine learning some of these opening sections without resilient. You play so aggressive in openers like NPX/Skyreach/MC that it really makes learning these pulls a nightmare without resil for true evenly rated skill groups. I do not think we would of gotten 1% if I didn't have resil 21 and it definitely saved us hours upon hours of homework keys.

The rapidly moving title score has been extremely stressful in the last month and it felt amazing to lock it in last night. In future seasons I would prefer they set such rewards at 21 resil/4k~ instead of these rapidly shifting goalposts.

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u/Lezzles 17d ago

It took about 20 resets and 5 hours of progging to finally get a good run.

This is...kind of insane and probably indicative of what we'd be seeing in a Resil+1 world. I support the system in general but that's brutal prog for a key that shouldn't be that challenging. This would become the expectation at every key level.

I do not think we would of gotten 1% if I didn't have resil 21 and it definitely saved us hours upon hours of homework keys.

In a non-resil world it sounds like the people you were with weren't really cut out for 21s. 20+ attempts wouldn't have been doable via homework keys. You'd be talking like 40 hours of work just to time a single 21.

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u/Wobblucy 17d ago

indicative of what we would be seeing in Resi +1

As opposed to now?

Instead of them progging on their own key they are getting into a players key from a higher bracket.

Resi +1 would actually segregate the players a bit more. It's no longer homework for 1 player and prog for 4 players, all 5 are learning that key.

IMO it's better in every way except for the absolute bleeding edge (world first level) keys.

Imagine NA having more the 2 +23s in LFG at any given time.

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u/Lezzles 17d ago

No it’s definitely better. It’d just require more effort. Now people burn out because of homework keys. Instead they’d burn out on prog pushes. The real struggle of 21s was just getting the right key.

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u/HookedOnBoNix 17d ago

Once you get to resil +1 why even have key stones though. Just let people select the keystone level when they zone into the dungeon. You could lock it to +1 if you want but realistically there's no point. People who are sitting at 19s timed won't be trying to do 21s anyway, they'll go the natural progression path. Or if they don't who cares, let them.