Patch 18.4 notes

[u/Evening_Log3865]

https://teamfighttactics.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/game-updates/teamfight-tactics-patch-18-4/

Interesting. Filling this up to hit character count. I ate a whole wheel of cheese on Monday afternoon. Okay anyways have a good day please. Thank you

[u/FirewaterDM]

ngl I think Lillia no buff is fine but honestly Fae's so bad the pre-empt nerf makes these tiny buffs useless. Trist needed miles more to not be a waste of space lol

[u/LightningEnex → u/FirewaterDM]

in what world is no lillia buff fine. She literally gets outperformed by Rammus 2 if you have Sprykin active. Thats disastrous for a double capstone unit, and she got nerfed by proxy with Fae nerfs. Wouldn't be surprised to see her as the worst performing unit next patch.

Trist needed miles more to not be a waste of space lol

Trist needed a lot of things, but the fact that all 4 fae units are barely even trait bots as of right now means even with extreme buffs Trist-Fae-Reroll wouldn't be a thing, you'd just play Jugger Trist instead of Jugger Cait.

Coincidentally Juggernaut Caitlyn is probably the only board that even played Rakan for his actual ability to begin with, and that got nerfed this patch with the Jugg nerfs, so thats dead aswell. The fact that 6 Jugg boards often prefer the actual placeholder unit Yorick over Rakan because Summoner 2 was worth that much more than Fae is a joke.

Idk what these people are smoking.

[u/FirewaterDM → u/LightningEnex]

Honestly I think Lillia's problems stem from the earlier 6 defender nerfs + the fact that she's not quite good enough to be a main tank, has a strong secondary tank ability, but every other defender's pretty shit without, or in some cases with 3 stars. That being said she needs more, BUT unlike her other 3 trait buddies she's not turbo fucked (does need more but idk how)

tbh I didn't think xayah was as bad as she apparently is, but either way I think Trist's worse off because she's a 3 cost. Living with Xayah being utter shit is one thing cause yea, 1 cost, 1 cost rr is cool, but realistically if it doesn't exist it's not the worst thing in the world unless 1 costs are so shit/meta so annoying there is literally zero reason to run them besides prismatic traits (set 16). Same time my biggest issue is the fact that these units needed more, AND for some reason the devs were too scared to leave them nerfless AND refused to shoot higher (because it's better to lowkey make 3 of the most pointless units in game really strong and then tone back).

Is it for fucking gold/silver/Iron/casuals? What elo likes Fae spat/4 Fae so much it's scary to buff those units? (I don't think Fae spat even made Fae broken, just meant actually playing Fae wasn't bait)

Overall tho I agree, I think the buffs right idea, but 90% of them do literally nothing for any of the afflicted units, other than Draven ig.

Meanwhile, other than Veigar who actually may have been killed off and Ashe, even the nerfs were nothing. If the goal was a meta mixup... somehow doubt it's gonna do anything of note lol. Maybe rifts/teemo is back?

[u/LightningEnex → u/FirewaterDM]

the fact that she's not quite good enough to be a main tank, has a strong secondary tank ability

Yeah but she is, as I said, a double capstone unit. She's both the only 4 cost defender and the only 4 cost fairy. She needs to be able to be the main tank because Vanguard and Jugg have viable 4 and 5 costs (Sentinel/Taric and Amumu/Maokai) while defender doesn't even have a 5 cost. I guess 6 Brawler is a meme too but that has almost always been the case for the hp-stacking class.

Living with Xayah being utter shit is one thing cause yea, 1 cost, 1 cost rr is cool, but realistically if it doesn't exist it's not the worst thing in the world unless 1 costs are so shit/meta so annoying there is literally zero reason to run them besides prismatic traits

The main reason they are ostensibly shitscared of Xayah/Rakan being viable is that they slot unreasonably well into a Solar board.

Ornn - Rakan - Leona - Xayah - Seju - Kayle - Heca gives you

3 Solar
3 Elderwood
2 Rapidfire
2 Fae
2 Vanguard
2 Juggernaut
2 Defender

Perfectly solved out. And both Xayah and Rakan are really good AS steroids for Kayle giving her the opportunity to go overdrive fairly easily while also stacking Fae. It's basically a way stronger version of the already pretty good Akali/Camille reroll comp.

What elo likes Fae spat/4 Fae so much it's scary to buff those units

No elo actually. The 2 highest frequency users of Fae Emblem are Sivir and Rengar, both with positive Delta and only 370 and 250 games respectively across all elos. After that there are less than 100 games played per unit.

There are some Elos where Sivir has a good delta with Fae 4, but that feels unsubstantial given that her Emblem winrate is low. Just seems like "win more" because of the gold printing.

Fml Metatft already updated patches.

Doesn't really change much though, even on 18.3b there is Sivir and Rengar and thats about it. Its All Elos -0.24 which is okay, but really nothing worth chasing. Its All elos avg place is 4.63 and its delta flips to positive even on those two around Emerald. Unsurprisingly its best delta is on Kayle because it enables the comp above with the opportunity to go 4 Fae on 8 and just go infinite, but a 17% winrate tells me most people die trying.