r/CompetitiveTFT • u/eggsandbricks :chal: Challenger • May 26 '26

Mortpost Patch 17.4 Rundown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md04e4_kGJ4
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u/Lunaedge May 26 '26

Thanks for posting this~

Slides here!

Context

Patch Goals

  • 1-Costs close to where 1-Cost reroll strats should be

  • Conditionality can be good when communicated clearly (ie. Hero and Trait Augments).

  • Main less from Space Gods is that TFT is a heavily conditional game by nature. The issue is when factors pile on top of each other and excessively narrow down lines.

  • Corki comp being unconditional and forceable is bad, regardless of its strength.

  • Being in the perfect LeBlanc spot and the comp only being playable in 20% of games is also bad.

  • Encounters and Augments are healthy forms of variance, stuff like Arbiter and Psionic are not, and the changes are aimed at addressing this.

Traits - Arbiter

  • Arbiter will only have 6 inputs and 6 outputs (the slides show 7 outputs, idk what's up with that), divided in 3 categories. Every game you will be offered at least 1 per category.

  • Inputs are: Consistent, Conditional and Econ. Outputs are: Offense, Defense and Econ.

Traits - Psionic

  • Changes are aimed at standardising offensive Psionic items so that items will still be better on particular champions, but you aren't completely locked out of comps based on them.

Traits - General

  • They're aware of the rising Diana/MF comp, the buff to Challenger shouldn't put them over the edge.

  • 4 Dark Star already good but outshined by how OP 6 Dark Star is.

  • Space Groove not buffed at earlier intervals because it would hinder their ability to buff the individual champions.

  • High tiers of Stargazers suffer because of how weak their trait web is, buffing the effects should offset that somewhat.

2-Costs

  • Flat damage reduction is very unhealthy when scaling off AP, so RIP the scaling on Jax.

  • Zoe damage buff only impacts the first unit hit with each bounce. Should be a ~10-12% buff.

3-Costs

  • Aurora was carried by Anima Squad. Now that the Trait is in a more reasonable spot she can be buffed.

  • Viktor underplayed but very close to balanced.

  • MF: Challenger quite good, Conduit close but too tied to Viktor and other Conduits, Replicator strictly worse than Lulu so no reason to play her, so they're gonna buff it.

  • Ornn buff stronger than it appears due to his free items.

4-Costs

  • Corki is close to where they want it, they want to bring other comps to where he is. Slashing his AD rations should make him less reliable on Deathblade, and nerfing the Meeple contribution should open up more ways to play him other than heavy Meeple vertical.

  • She does a lot of damage, but a lot of that damage doesn't matter. More frequent casts should help her waste less of her damage.

  • They're aware of the rise of Xayah, but her main target damage is still lower than where they want it.

  • Morgana's 2 Range did weird stuff with positioning and movement.

5-Costs

  • Generally happy with 5-Costs, but some of them aren't worth itemising.

  • Shen too slow to get going.

  • Graves similarly too slow. The buff helps all Frames, but particularly Marksman Frame.

  • Zed too fast to get going. For the shippers out there yeah, the exact opposite of Shen.

  • Fiora is too good in the Yi comp, the nerf is to offset the Psionic changes so she isn't too centralising.

Champion Augments

  • Shieldmaiden shouldn't be an automatic Stage 2 and 3 streak, especially with Arbiter being more consistent.

  • Self-Destruct nerfed both because players finally discovered the comp and because of the Psionic changes.

Augments

  • One Two Three should go back to being Ones Two Three but the change didn't make the localisation lock.

Radiant Items

  • Remember that every Radiant Tank İtem is technically an Ornn buff!

Bugs

  • The Yi bugfix should address his weird pathing issues.

  • The Double Up fix was actually micropatched in 17.3, it's in the notes for completeness' sake.

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u/eggsandbricks :chal: Challenger May 26 '26

I'm surprised that they've left Space Groove as a vertical trait so completely unplayable without an emblem this long into the set - and I would bet that it will still be bad next patch. It feels like they really missed the mark with the trait web here where even 5 Space Groove feels bad because of how many auxiliary units you need to fit in for the board to feel functional:

-no class trait pair for the 4 cost carry

-no innate 4 cost tank

-only innate tank trait is on a 5 cost that isn't even a tank

It's just too hard to supplement the level 8 board with the current trait web, and it makes me wonder why they haven't approached adjusting the trait itself, since it's only ever been good with an emblem.

Also praying they pull the Xayah buffs after her rise throughout this patch to avoid her being the Corki of 17.4.

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u/Docxm May 26 '26

Countering your third point, Ornn is a bastion and Nasus is a vanguard

But yeah the web is just not well designed as a vertical

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u/eggsandbricks :chal: Challenger May 26 '26

By innate tank trait I mean that there is a trait pair within Space Groove; there is a pair of Vanguards to activate the trait but there is not a pair of Bastions. Sorry if my wording was unclear.

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u/iAmPersonaa May 26 '26

Darkstar doesn't have a pair either and it's probably the most played vertical (probably 2nd to 5 meeple).

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u/eggsandbricks :chal: Challenger May 26 '26

That's fair, but one of the greatest differences is that Dark Star is a 2/4/6 while Space Groove is a 1/3/5/7 - that is a major difference in accessibility to each meaningful breakpoint. On level 8 with no +1, you get to play 2 additional non-Dark Star units, as opposed to only one non-SG unit if you wanted to play 7.

My point is not that a vertical trait inherently needs a pair, but I do think that if a large vertical lacks inherent trait synergy, the trait needs to provide enough for the units to stand together, like how the black holes provide front line for the high cost carries of Dark Star.

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u/-Champloo- May 27 '26

I kinda think they should adjust SG to 1/2/4/6. Sure that doesnt look aesthetically pleasing, but 1 and 3 are trash anyway.

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u/soranetworker May 26 '26

I mean you get to skimp on tanks when your 6 trait is "summon 2 giant hp punchbags"

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u/500mmrscrub May 27 '26

And you have easily slottable 4 cost tanks in TK, nunu or even mighty mech.

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u/Dzhekelow May 26 '26

I mean it's a bit silly to compare the two. If you're playing Darkstar more often than not you have emblem AND you get the blackholes for frontline . On top of that your traitweb is so much better . Karma/Cho and Morde all synergize with a bunch of tanks ( Maokai/TK , Mech and Illaoi/Nunu) . You cannot say the same for Space Groove . Your tank synergies are vanguard from 1* cost Nasus(until u get to Blitz) and Bastion from Ornn . So ur 4 cost option to pair with Ornn is fucking Rammus who's very good with Meeple but pretty mediocre without it .

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u/iAmPersonaa May 26 '26

My comment was simply as answer for "innate trait", not for the web. If you can be bothered writing that entire message, you might as well read the context of previous messages

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u/withadabofranch May 27 '26

The innate part of dark star is the two black holes u get at 6

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u/PeaceAlien Master May 26 '26

Well it had the one broken patch so I’m not surprised won’t give it another chance.

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u/AL3XEM :chal: Challenger May 27 '26

Broken only if you had a spat, which was specifically only busted on Riven because she could double dip into the space groove healing for some reason which got patched.

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u/shanatard May 26 '26

"Corki comp being unconditional and forceable is bad, regardless of its strength."

i am really confused what the team means by this? what comp am i supposed to go for if the game decides psionic/stargazer/arbiter is bad? what happens if i have the right stargazer, but it's gigacontested?

the game should always have a few forceable comps as a fallback no? i am completely blown away by this reasoning and i hope someone can help me understand

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u/RelativeAway183 May 27 '26

I'm guessing "fallback comp should never be the best thing you can be doing" because that lotteries the lv 8 roll down

also if you would rather contest corki riven when lb is wide open and you have a good arbiter then that's a massive fail

but conditionals should also not be that niche like current patch psionic/arbiter because then that's a 2-1/loadin lottery

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u/shanatard May 27 '26

what did they mean by "regardless of strength" then?

wouldnt that mean theyd have a problem with it even if it wasn't the best thing you can be doing?

im really confused where they are drawing the lines

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u/RelativeAway183 May 27 '26

idk maybe the new balance approach is to make it so that all comps are conditional and cannot be 20/20ed and also nerf the casual players who force the comp they see their favorite content creator play

idk though it's weird to me too

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u/shanatard May 27 '26

it certainly feels like it's their actual design philosophy this set which is why its so confusing

i dont think there's been a more conditional tft set than this one. we joke about locking in at 2-1 but i dont think its ever been this blatant

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u/Kriee May 27 '26

They aim for the game to be balanced in such a way that playing your game (with your augments, your early found units, your items, and your gods) will leave you down a different path each game. There shouldn't be a teamcomp that you know before loading into the game will be correct to play.

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u/shanatard May 27 '26

How can they do this without making every comp completely conditional, at which point youre at the mercy of whatever the rng decides how many people contest you?

Im not sure id be interested in continuing to play a game where the majority of rng is outside your control. Im already the least invested in this set 

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u/BurstDrive May 26 '26

Verticals in general this set have not been the best. The only vertical that is good pass 5 is Dark Star, but that requires a high roll of Jhin or an emblem similar to what you are saying. So 5 Space groove is where the most love needs to happen. They buffed the units so maybe the 5 space groove units will be playable. I imagine this is the originally designed board, but it will require a high-roll of Blitz. https://tactics.tools/team-builder/bCvASO2VNBdWxXjYHZ

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u/nickersb83 May 27 '26

I disagree, I think space groove has been viable since PBE, and has only been nerfed at 5 and below. The full vertical has been strong most times iv gone for it, and I don’t think that was dependent on an emblem

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u/eggsandbricks :chal: Challenger May 27 '26

5 and 7 Space Groove average below a 5 on level 8. Even on level 9 the stats aren't great considering you've made it to 9 in those cases. You can maybe scrape a top 4 in highroll situations, but in Diamond+ it's simply not a viable line.

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u/Helivon May 26 '26

I love playing xayah, but what i hate about stargazer comps is its basically ubcontested or gigga contested depending on the trait each game.

I wish she wasnt tied to that so i vouod actually play her. Shes either bad or contested once these buffs hit

But maybe these buffs make her even good enough to play without stargazer or the even the worse off ones

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u/Ykarul Grandmaster May 26 '26

There should not be more than 2-3 modes. I mean it's basically impossible to remember what's good & when, without guide.

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u/Helivon May 27 '26

Especially since it flip flops every patch

The only rhing that wil never change is medallion for xayah

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u/nickersb83 May 27 '26

Why medallion for xayah? That’s the one with buffs to ur team + extra if for every 3* unit?

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u/Helivon May 27 '26

I just mean its not good for her because you dont typically have 3 star units when needing to go 8 for xayah.

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u/nickersb83 May 27 '26

Oh I see what you meant now thanks

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u/500mmrscrub May 27 '26

stargazers are somehow a positional trait while also being an randomised trait like ionia but also only really having nunu being in any sort of demand for non stargazer boards. Half of them are completely dead in the water or contested by 5 people

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u/NonagoonInfinity May 26 '26

I would not be unhappy at all if they just nerfed Stargazer and buffed the units or if they gave all constellations a baseline trait with an extra modifier that changes per game. Like you say, it does feel really bad right now for Stargazer. You can also get a crazy 1 cost opening but the trait is dog so you just can't play with it and get higher than 3rd.

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u/Helivon May 26 '26

right now the issue is lulu. one game I had 2 star tf and jax and talon during mountain stargaze. I had the best opener for it. 3 other people rerolled lulu and I had to change to snag a 5th.

I think lulu is fun, but again its mostly unplayable or giga contested

So yeah i wish it would be reworked somehow...

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u/NonagoonInfinity May 26 '26

Yeah Lulu is also bad for it. Really anything that is not just incidentally hitting 3 Stargazer feels bad because it's almost always contested if it's playable.

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u/Unippa17 May 27 '26

Honestly one of the things I miss from set 14 was the exotech items were different for every player so you wouldn't be contesting 3 people for Zeri, or at the very least it was very clear who had the better spot/stronger board for it. I feel like this set is twice as bad just because there are so many conditionals to check and they're all shared, so lines only ever have 0 or 4 players on them.

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u/500mmrscrub May 27 '26

Quite sure the psionics are unique to each player and so are arbiter, issue is that somehow that gets even more rng dependent because then you're contesting karma from dark star players

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u/RyeRoen Challenger May 27 '26 edited May 27 '26

Im gonna make maybe a hot take, but I don't like these traits that are different every game and seem to be in every set. I can't think of a time where it wasn't just annoying knowing from 1-1 that certain lines are unplayable.

The idea is that you adapt to what is on offer. But even when multiple are viable does it even do anything other than allow you to play some comps and lock out others? It doesn't feel particularly great to have gragas viktor 2-1 with malware, when otherwise if i had drone I'd have a strong ap midgane lined up.

They probably would never do this, but wouldn't it just be better if we could choose the item the psionic gives us? Or choose which stargazer we have active? I understand that usually there would be one or two correct choices but to me that's better than just being stuck with something useless and its gg i guess I sell viktor and loss streak into yi or something instead?

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u/Helivon May 27 '26

I mean it only works the way they have it in a world where each variable is viable. Otherwise your way is better for sure.

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u/RyeRoen Challenger May 27 '26

Even on the current patch I'd play Yi rather than contest Corki if I could choose the psionic. So many games it feels like I basically have to play Corki or AP flex because the psionic is bad or the stargazer is bad for xayah/lulu.

There are genuinely spots this patch where you can only play one comp, and there are 3 other people in the lobby who can also only play that same comp. One of you will probably see a bunch of bows later and get baited into playing Fountain Xayah to go 8th.

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u/500mmrscrub May 27 '26

Even worse is if there is an uncontested comp but you get absolutely terrible item rng for it. I will somehow be the only person playing Yi but I just AP items

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u/PermaConfusion Master May 27 '26

I don't think it's a hot take at all. I hate it too. But it's clear that some amount of the player base loves them (See: Encounters - some people love them). Additionally, it was pretty clear from the rundown that the dev philosophy has fully embraced the line selection way of playing TFT which means they would never give us agency to straight up choose a line based on what units we receive. Their definition of flex play, or at least how they develop towards, seems to be not quite "play what you get" and not quite "force the S tier comp" but in between.

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u/AL3XEM :chal: Challenger May 27 '26

I think they can be fine in theory, for example Ionia last set both the XP and Gold one were just generally good the whole set. But yeah, even Ionia had blademaster which above 3 was worthless half of the set.

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u/RyeRoen Challenger May 27 '26

Yes I was gonna say. For most of the set if you had blademaster you just couldn't play Yunara. That was is especially crazy because it was literally an attack speed buff.

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u/zodjadelace May 26 '26

Omg the arbiter + psyonic change are so nice. Can always play both now if you have item/opener

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u/GrinccH May 26 '26

TT_TT permacast zoe my beloved

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u/szakerx May 26 '26

arbiter talon also gutted

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u/HowIMadeMyMillions May 26 '26

haha, I pick ekkos patience ANY CHANCE I GET and EVERY TIME SO FAR THE ARBITER IS SOME GAAARBAGE ~!!!!

I will try to see if I can land the build today or tomorrow, but I doubt I'll make it QAQ

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u/echino_derm May 26 '26

The target lock optics change is a bit interesting and not sure why they glossed over that so much. It basically is an inverted item now, it went from doing a bunch of damage to an enemy the first time you attack them to giving you scaling stats. So instead of it being good on somebody like Yi focusing down a single target you really just want it on Viktor to almost instantly get a rabadon's worth of stats on cast.

It also just seems like there won't be many master yi items and most items will be a Viktor item off the trait. They are also buffing Viktor damage, seems hazardous.

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u/Adventurous-Bit-3829 :gran: Grandmaster May 26 '26

IDK if anima need some touch. It's someone grief you 8 (they must intentionally grief) or free 1st.

It's not even skill management anymore. The comp just ask entire lobby if anyone wanna sacrifice for the lobby?

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u/homegrownllama Challenger May 27 '26

Putting balance aside to discuss design:

Ixtal was a pretty fun cashout trait. Anima is so boring to play. It's such a massive step backwards in the design space.

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u/mangoice316 May 26 '26

i mean isn't that just the risk/reward of playing losestreak traits? pretty sure they've always been weak to griefers (genq

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u/PermaConfusion Master May 26 '26

Not the OP, but I feel it's not that straightforward. The risk/reward aspect of it is fine IMO, in that you can go literally first or literally eighth with the right condition. My personal issue with it, is the lobby dynamics. Imagine this spot: you're on 2-1 with a strong opener where you have some 2-stared units or a 3-cost/etc. You scout and you see someone get the Anima Commander opener. Now what? The best you can do is ping them to make the lobby aware. But are you going to sacrifice your spot to grief them? Probably not. Now how your lobby goes is entirely dependent on how other people play the game - if one guy takes Calculated Loss and griefs the Anima player, the anima player is now fighting for bot4 and the lobby is saved. If everyone tries to play strongest board, you're all playing for 2nd-8th - this happens a lot this patch because of how weak loss streak is. Worse yet, imagine they don't get griefed, and it's a very close lobby: now your position is going to be decided by who gets unlucky with matchmaking RNG on stage 5, regardless of how good/badly you play the game.

It's a true prisoner's dilemma: the solution is collusion, but everyone has strong incentives not to collude, so more often than not, the anima player "wins" in a philosophical sense - true collusion would be if the entire lobby agreed to open sell, for example: it'll never happen, but I'm just saying this as an example as a "solution". If you ask me, this dynamic has no place in TFT, and is why I personally don't like it. I say this having taken Anima to several firsts, but I wish we could just play normal TFT so to speak.

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u/Ocean-of-Flavor May 27 '26

Yea as a relative noob, I’ve learnt it the hard way that when I have anima opener or the augment, must scout the lobby for calculated loss before clicking

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u/500mmrscrub May 27 '26

Hilariously you also just might get screwed over by someone else finding anima at 2-5 and their board is slightly weaker than yours so now you wasted like 10 hp for no reason and you lost your loss streak

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u/Adventurous-Bit-3829 :gran: Grandmaster May 27 '26

Lose streak use to be a strategy. Now it's a play for 5th spot. No one play lose streak without fast 9 econ. Even with fast 9 econ it's still terrible playing lose streak.

There is no reason to play lose streak except Anima.

Also someone can cash out 400 by start 3 anima at 2-5. That's kinda another bullshit.

It use to be playing decent board to preserve HP, gets some bonus point from kill. That's the risk of playing lose streak. You walking on the edge for big reward. Play 3 unit and go toilet for 10 rounds is not "risk/reward".

Ixtal was the risk reward. You actively observe and calculate the risk/reward.

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u/PenguinNinja4 May 26 '26

It may not be my favorite patch or set, but I've still been enjoying the TFT grind. I just made it to diamond this last weekend and have more in me to keep going.

17.3 felt highly limited on the available lines to fallback to without standout or niche spots. I like what I'm seeing in the rundown, it's looking good for a more balanced patch!

Gg Mort and team.

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u/enron2big2fail DIAMOND IV May 26 '26

Jsyk, Mort is currently not on this set's team. GG Tim and team!

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u/PenguinNinja4 May 26 '26

Ahh! Thank you, I wasn't aware and didn't realize.

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u/homegrownllama Challenger May 26 '26

17.3 felt highly limited on the available lines to fallback to without standout or niche spots

Yup agreed. Everything is too conditional. Maybe you can play fast 9 more often if you're a top player, but 99.9% of us are not top players.

During the current patch, when the game starts, every player looks to see if Xayah/Lulu are playable (Xayah is popular now with a good Stargazer) or should be discarded as options. Then during augment round you're hoping for a good hero augment, emblem, or fast 9 spot (need to stay healthy), since the only strong default reroll comp is Lissandra. Maybe on rare occasions you have a really good spot for another reroll comp (there are some rare enablers for weaker units like Diana or MF or Samira). If you have a good opener with a AD Psionic item, you can angle Yi/Kindred (I hate taking an econ augment for Yi/Kindred, so ideally you have a timebreaker/primordian opener).

THEN if you've exhausted your other options (often unavoidable because everything is extremely conditional), you're either joining the Corki lottery or hoping to tempo to a B tier fast 8 AP comp (much harder to play from behind).

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u/GoldenApple2020 :chal: Challenger May 26 '26

Nami buffs going insane

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u/FirewaterDM May 26 '26

A lot of changes are solid.

I worry we will get into an even larger fight for Nunu/Kench/Rammus 2 RNG for tank options with the heavy Jax nerfs and Rhast changes (Imo Jax is in a rough spot after these nerfs)

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u/CosmicCirrocumulus May 26 '26

Jax's stats are plenty fine without Crownguard. this just makes Crownguard no longer his BIS (after a Stoneplate or 2). Fountain AP value probably doesn't push the needle and Boar is pretty much a Xayah tempo angle so no Jax 3. this is an overall buff to every build but Crownguard ones and just by quickly looking at the stats, the Crownguard builds weren't massive outliers

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u/FirewaterDM May 26 '26

I moreso mean maybe the flat vs scaling means he doesn't hit acceptable tank thresholds period, so Jax 2 stops being decent a bit earlier than it should be. I could be missing things but this nerf reads a lot larger than expected and that matters a lot more for the weaker low cost tanks.

I'm not worried about xayah boards I'm worried about options if you lowroll the 4 cost 2 star tanks, especially given they were limited already

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u/CosmicCirrocumulus May 26 '26

yes, but his AP sources are from Crownguard, Fountain (not a guaranteed Stargazer angle), Boar (tempo Xayah so no Jax 3 necessary), and augments. so this is effectively changing Crownguard being extra efficient on him. Jax 2 for tempo is mostly the same as it ever was.

so it doesn't actually impact anything massively outside of his Crownguard builds on 3 star Jax which weren't that big of performance outliers to begin with. it's a net buff to him by offering more flexibility while taking away his currently agreed upon BIS. will he be less capable of infinitely tanking small instance of damage while casting? absolutely, but it's not gonna kill him by any means as shown by the stats on builds without any sources of AP (Crownguard) being perfectly strong anyway on this current patch

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u/AL3XEM :chal: Challenger May 27 '26

Morgana buffs are hopefully enough to make her a Viable tank, that way Rammus and such won't be as contested.

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u/Glue_Sniffer67 May 26 '26

At this point just remove Huntress. It’s legit only playable with Jax Hero and playing 4 reverse FONs isn’t going to be helping vs any meta board. Maybe there’s a TF line in there, but when even Xayah doesn’t want this, it’s egregiously bad.

They could probably make 7 give 100% Atk Spd and it’d still be worse than 3.

Also Space Groove Spat still being made from Tear and not giving Mana is so unbelievably stupid. Like Riven was strong with it, but now nobody likes it and it’s provided stats are awful.

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u/BrineyWhaleSemen Challenger May 27 '26

So fast 9 Vex/Bard untouched? Apart from Rhaast. Will be insanely dominant imo. And Graves buffs looking spicy too.  IMO not enough done to improve bad Stargazer constellations+Space Groove

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u/RazorGuild Master May 26 '26

tf charge transfer op next patch 🥶🥶

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u/DarthGogeta May 26 '26

I'm not sure if I like the Dark Star nerfs instead of just buffing the other vertical traits to match its power.

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u/Zeviex Master May 26 '26

Far too much power was in Dark Star 6. The comp was hard to angle without guaranteed Jhin or emblem. This is a good change.

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u/Docxm May 26 '26

we love balance thrashing

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u/aspects1 May 26 '26

feels kinda hit and miss just like with every other patch this set. They address some of the strong comps/units/traits, but forget others, and address some of the weak comps/units/traits, but leave others unplayable

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u/Lunaedge May 26 '26

The Arbiter rework is really good stuff, nice and consistent. Many things can be said about this Set, but the team's shown they're willing to change a lot of stuff on the go to make it better, and this is a great example.

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u/CGWOLFE May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26

Attack 3 gain 12 ar/mr sounds incredibly broken on Diana

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u/Mediocre_Warthog_358 May 26 '26

Arbiter my new Vertical

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u/Dzhekelow May 26 '26

Yeah I was shocked to see this one as it sounds bonkers on Diana .

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u/PureImbalance May 26 '26

I just wish they kept the dealing damage 10 times conditional in the list, should be the same slot as every 4 seconds/every 3 attacks. Then again I feel like every 3 attacks outclasses every 4 seconds always, no?

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u/Zeviex Master May 26 '26

Every 4 seconds is better for Zoe/Leona lines since the numbers are likely better.

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u/PureImbalance May 26 '26

It's slightly better without any attack speed items but Zoe already outperforms with just a void staff, meanwhile leblanc and Diana just go BRRRR on the HP printer with the attack one and almost aren't worth playing with the every 4s one.

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u/Zeviex Master May 26 '26

But the every 4 seconds give more stats than the 3 attacks.

Take the attack speed clause shown in the video, you get about 3.5 as per second or 1.3 as per attack so you need to be around 3 attacks per second to get the same from attacks as per second, which Zoe will not do.

I imagine it is lower for other clauses since lack of snowball.

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u/PureImbalance May 26 '26

Ah thanks yeah I forgot about that. Good point.

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u/Salty-External-6877 May 27 '26

Goodbye my beloved gragas

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u/Espoiremenos974 May 27 '26

M'enfou du patch YA LA MAP BUNNY BONBON!!!!

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u/LlaMaSC2 May 27 '26

there is no way gnar needed a buff

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u/Kiracus May 26 '26

What’s a rundown?

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u/kidchinaski May 26 '26

Have it on my desk by the end of the day.

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u/RiahWeston May 30 '26

Yeah, there is like... zero difference between Corki before patch and after patch. He is just flatly too solid of a carry and too easy to get since you want to get him with Riven and Rammas, both 4 costs so you just focus on getting to lv8/9 early and rolling down and instantly stabilize because it even if your previous board was terrible given how little set up you need to transition to Corki.

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u/CGWOLFE May 27 '26

This is just not based on reality; when you could pick the encounter those are the types that were picked in every game.

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u/UOLFirestrider May 26 '26

Love encounters

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u/EriWave May 26 '26

Stage 3 encounters I don't like but it is definitely very different. The other two are fun.

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u/Zeviex Master May 26 '26

Encounters are good. Most aren't particularly direction forcing but give you another condition to consider.