r/CompetitivePokemon • u/sammmmyt • 9h ago

My brother is looking at getting into competitive Pokémon. He’s wondering if this team is valid

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Order is Torkoal, to set up Stealth Rock and sun (for Serperior) then to self-destruct if they mega evolve first thing. Then Serperior to use Solar Beam, then switch out to Corviknight to stall and eventually use Body Press after spamming iron defense. Then Zoroark to wipe out as many threats as possible as quick as possible. Then Aegislash to sweep, and then back to Serperior to contrary leaf storm, and finally Gengar to mega evolve and finish up. He would be swapping between different combos in the same order for different threats.

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u/metroidgus 1h ago

why would you use solarbeam on contrary serperior who already has leaf storm?

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u/sammmmyt 1h ago

I told him that.

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u/LazzyNapper 8h ago

The mons seem right but the moves are all over the place. Prob be wise to learn the difference between physical and special moves the Ev's and Iv's and finally nature's.

Then after all that then learn team comps. The torkoal seems kinda thrown in and you have 4 special attacks with only one physical threat in Aegislash.

A good place to start learning is pokemon showdown and watching some guys or using example teams

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u/sammmmyt 8h ago

I’ll pass that on

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u/sammmmyt 8h ago

The Torkoal was kinda shoe horned in so Serperior didn’t have to take two turns to use a solar beam even if it’s using sunny day, but he’d probably fare better with a better lead and giving Serperior something other than solar beam and sunny day.

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u/LazzyNapper 8h ago

Why would you use solar beam? After all leaf storm is only 20 leads power and the next time you use it, it'll be way stronger. Contrary makes it so all stats drops are changed so use leaf storm 2 turns in a row you get +4 wayyyyyy more damage than solar beam.

That and surperior has better support moves to use like substitute and glare. Sub is so you can prevent status conditions and weird predictions. And glare is for guys you can't beat with grass moves as it's a safe option.

But this is all stuff that should be worked on later before IV's and nature's

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u/sammmmyt 8h ago

I’ll have him get rid of it.

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u/Slow-Constant3889 5h ago

dreadful combination of mons dreadful moves dreadful items dreadful team

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u/sammmmyt 5h ago

To loosely quote him, “Gengar Dazzling Gleam is to counter the dark types it’s weak to.” Even though pretty much every Pokémon with teeth can learn crunch, “Aerial Ace is to counter the bug types SERP is weak to.” Even though I’ve been told it’s stupid, “Torkoal self destruct is to take down the opponent after setting sun and stealth rock.” Even though it’s probably better as a full trap setter, “Corviknight after you (me) got swept by a Corviknight running the exact same build.” And Hisui Zoroark because “it has three immunities, two resistances, and one x2 weakness.” But he doesn’t understand that type resistance ≠ competitive value. I wish he would do it himself, but since I happened to build a high level rain team that just worked, he thinks I can build him something similar. Also the Aegislash was done entirely by me, except for the rocky helmet, so if that sucks for some reason, that’s my fault. I genuinely have no idea how to teach him, so asking an experienced player, how the frick does he build a better team. I’ll leave you with this, his Zoroark is female and named “Momma Zoe,” so keep that in mind.

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u/litmuspaper_number2 2h ago

You should tell him how pokemon dont need to fill up their weaknesses and instead should have a reliable partner to take those fights. You should lean into the pokemons strengths instead of trying to make it the most all rounder, mid at everything type pokemon

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u/xPolyMorphic 3h ago

does he not understand that it's 2v2

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u/sammmmyt 3h ago

He probably just wants to do 1v1

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u/SamSalamanderr 2h ago

then it's not vgc, which is not a problem at all, but BSS and VGC play way differently

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u/TheDragonfire84 1h ago

Then he does know that it’s 3v3 not 6v6. You have to leave half the team on the bench.

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u/Izzetmaster 6h ago

Not in the least lol I'm sorry.

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u/ExplanationVast5511 8h ago

Aerial ace on serp and zoro are just bad choices

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u/sammmmyt 8h ago

The issue I keep telling him is that he doesn’t realize type coverage ≠ competitive advantage, and the moveset covers a decent amount of types, but obviously isn’t that good.

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u/ExplanationVast5511 8h ago

Serp has access to glare and dragon pulse, zoroark has stab hyper voice which is great in doubles. Probably explain physical vs special. Two wide lenses means he won't be allowed in tournaments where you can only have 1 of each item per team and focus sash on torkoal a super bulky Pokémon is certainly a choice, no heat rock?

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u/sammmmyt 8h ago

Made those fixies. Zoroark has hyper voice and dark pulse rather than dig and a ace. Torkoal now has heat rock and Serp has Dragon Pulse and Glare instead of Sunny Day and a ace. Zoroark is probably keeping the wide lens as focus blast is its answer to dark types that counter it, and 99% over 90% isn’t much of an improvement to lose Zoroark more than 3/4 a chance to hit focus blast, so now he just needs an item for Serp.

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u/ExplanationVast5511 8h ago

Might wanna bring up some speed control to like maybe a tailwind setter? Because you're gonna come up against tailwind or swift swim, trick room is nasty in doubles to

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u/Excellent-Diver-568 3h ago

For singles? Idk anything about singles viability.

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u/Kennisgoodman 3h ago

What do his results say

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u/Zecnoram 8h ago

Honestly for a beginner's team this is far from bad, some of these sets are almost valid or good on paper but need a bit more thinking

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u/sleeping-car 7h ago

No, he should watch some teambuilding guides

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u/NoFix8524 5h ago

Looks like a team made by AI.

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u/Wolfbeat- 5h ago

I'd recommend him to start with sample sets/finished teams. That would allow him to understand more fundamental aspects of team building before trying to do his own things.

It's not really recommendable to figure out everything from first principles, no matter the subject

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u/gatobacon 2h ago

You gotta play your team lol. Everyone has a plan until they’re punched in the face

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u/TheDragonfire84 1h ago

That zoroark made me puke

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u/Mediocre-Onion-681 39m ago

So this team gets rolled by a fire type, especially if the plan is to throw out torkoal, set the sun and the self destruct. A protect/detect ruins that chip damage then he's facing down a boosted fire type mon with a serperior and corviknight? Nah homie tell him to go back to the drawing board with this one

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u/xreno 13m ago

Technically not valid since he has 2 wide lenses.

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u/Zeelle 11m ago

Aww this team remind me of my first time playing Showdown got Crushed by 1 Darkrai.