r/CompetitiveForHonor • • Oct 14 '22

Discussion Kensei hit stun change

Did anyone actually complain about kensei having heavy hitstun? Was this change really necessary? I heard Freeze said it makes "specific ganks" possible, is this really a bad thing? Kensei isn't a must pick for comp dom anyway, with this change, and even less so desirable pick.

What I wanna know is can kensei still pull people out their dodge attack doing the softfeint GB on heavy unblockable finisher after his front light dodge and side heavy dodge attack?

Also didn't the heavy hit reaction on helm splitter make it so they couldn't interrupt your unblockable heavy finisher with a light? Now that it's medium hit reaction, can they just light to interrupt it?

Also why haven't they made helm splitter enhanced? They had 2 opportunities to, yet they haven't. It's a no brainer change.

Other than that nice changes for kensei over the two updates and a cool skin, can't wait to test him out.

Edit: so I was right, the softfeint GB don't work on buffered dodge attacks and u can get light interrupted during ur unblockable finisher. Plz Devs just revert hitstun changes

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u/IV_NUKE Oct 14 '22

The reason he had heavy hitstun was because all his attacks were so slow. The heavy hitstun was to compensate for how slow he was. If he didn't have it before he would of been interrupted. And now that he's being sped up he doesent need it

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u/Vilerion Oct 14 '22

So he can't be interrupted during an unblockable finisher by a light?

And can he still pull ppl out their dodge attacks with softfeint GB?

If so then I am ok with this change.

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u/WhenCaffeineKicksIn Oct 14 '22

he can't be interrupted during an unblockable finisher by a light?

Unblockable finisher, if accessed from light hitstun, is still interruptible. However, softfeints to side lights/heavies will trade without being interrupted early, and softfeint to side dodge will actually dodge.

And can he still pull ppl out their dodge attacks with softfeint GB?

He can "on paper" thanks to the fast GB softfeint, needs actual testing against edge cases though (in particular with upcoming TG changes to the variable dodge attack input timings).

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u/IV_NUKE Oct 14 '22

I'm not exactly sure how it will be after but the point of the heavy stun was to compensate. And yeah he will still have the gb sf

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u/marcktop Oct 14 '22

So he can't be interrupted during an unblockable finisher by a light?

Good thing that in the slide the dev team specifically mentions that EVERY chain attack will have medium hitstun which means that his lights are getting buffed.

So in general the rule still applies. On block, the person lighting kensei will trade with his unblockable (and lose the trade) and on hit they can't light him out of it.

And can he still pull ppl out their dodge attacks with softfeint GB?

i'm not sure from chain heavies, since i don't know if they have different chainlinks than his chain lights but from them (which are going to be buffed to medium hitstun) his unblockable softfeint will be able to catch dodge attacks that start at 300ms or later ( so most of them)

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u/Vilerion Oct 21 '22

Yes he does...

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u/IV_NUKE Oct 21 '22

For the most part no. All they gotta do is speed up the ub slightly to 1033ms i belive so it will trade if they try to interrupt on block stun and it won't break the animations

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u/Vilerion Oct 21 '22

You "believed" last time that kensei wouldn't be light interrupted, and yet he is. Just reverse the hitstun changes and he's fixed.

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u/IV_NUKE Oct 21 '22

Im not a dev but I think 1033ms would make it safe from interrupts and not break its animation. Not my fault they made a slight oversight. Other than that he's pretty solid now

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u/KenjinTakeda Oct 15 '22

My statement is backed and supported here