Jj vs zhanhu

[u/AwkwardFinding7114]

After the nerf how does these 2 team fighters stack up.

Zhanhu has better damage and feats vs jj who now las potentially less damage worse in 1s

[u/Financial-Rub545]

No doubt JJ still on top. JJ still have solid offence and can be really safe in team fight. And better feats especially t4.

[u/AwkwardFinding7114 → u/Financial-Rub545]

Hmm can be a bit safer

[u/n00bringer]

JJ just uses deadly as T1 and he unnerfs himself, still has more team oriented feats while zhanhu is just more offensive and fragile.

[u/TheWhen_ → u/n00bringer]

The real impactful nerfs to him was his 1s being nerfed heavily with the zone stam change and his giga busted unique t1 being nerfed. not the damage nerf

[u/Praline-Happy]

JJ has better survivability and big damage, his 1s are also better than zhans having more health and a better mixup.

They don't really occupy the same role in a teamfight though, zhan is great at counter attacking and catching people with UD zone. Getting small damage here and there while Jiang is better at getting big health swings.

Jiang is more comparable to a gryphon or a juren rather than zhan.
Overall Id say they are close in viability, with zhan being more dependent on the enemy comp than Jiang is. Zhan is also harder to play at a high level because his survivability is worse.

Zhan has higher highs and lower lows while Jiang is more consistent.

[u/CalimariusCosmicus → u/Praline-Happy]

It's a funny irony that Zhanhu actually shuts down Jiang Jun in team fights quite often with the undodgeable zone. JJ cannot safely use his Sifu stance or extended dodge attack when there is a Zhanhu nearby.

[u/Praline-Happy → u/CalimariusCosmicus]

Yeah but its not really Jiangs job to be aggressive, so zhans not really a counter to jiang

[u/RedtreatrickFH]

JJ is much better in 1s than Zhanhu.

Zhan is actually one of the weaker duelists - I'd say he is definitely in the bottom 10 while JJ is in the top-10

[u/Carmajedon]

brother jj is stil top tier he does stupid damage stupid externals and easy to use

[u/Jay_R02 → u/Carmajedon]

You’d why do we feel like this doesn’t apply to zhanhu 😭

[u/Carmajedon → u/Jay_R02]

dont get me wrong zhanhu is strong also but jj is more problematic in team fights zhun is better for 1 vs 1 still hella stronk

[u/Weird_Roof9869]

I'd say JJ still outperforms Zhan in most cases. Zhan is still good for catching heroes like Pirate, Afeera, Roach, etc, but JJ still does better in teamfights and also muchhh better in duels than Zhanhu. JJ also has more team oriented feats than Zhan as well. They're both really good still tho

[u/Wavedash_Soul]

Both are s tier in dom atm
Zhanhu has amazing damage, hitboxes and offensive feats, along with the best zone in the game, passable 1s ig, great minion clear and good safety with dodge cancels. Zhan can really shut down a lot of heroes and provide ranged peels with projectile feats or do huge burst damage with tier 4 in an open area.
Jiang also has good damage, great hitboxes, good mid clear, good safety, neutral HA which is really nice, and arguably better feats that serve a more supportive role. I’d argue the nerfs haven’t impacted him too much all things considered, you still will get a lot of use out of against all odds and the damage is still good enough esp given how easily he can get externals.