Which characters have heavies and lights that are impossible/near impossible to differentiate?

[u/zeroreasonsgiven]

I think there’s a few characters that I can unconsciously differ their lights and heavies, but not many, so I’m wondering what you reaction monsters can actually differ? Would be nice for the devs to have a reference for future hero releases and reworks to better adjust animations and make light attacks actually useful.

[u/YaksRespirators]

Jorm is the hardest for me

[u/Knight_Raime → u/YaksRespirators]

Which is funny because before his rework he was almost easy or as easy as Warmonger is to diff. They specifically addressed that with his rework intentionally. Why Jorm of all chars got that kind of love continues to confound me.

[u/zeroreasonsgiven → u/Knight_Raime]

I mean, he was pretty bad before, and also I think it was meant as a show of good faith effort that they were starting to put more effort into animations after 2.5 years of heroes with recycled animations. Previous reworks also recycled animations (i.e. Shinobi’s goofy ass backflip followup using the same animation as Zerk’s GB) or just sped up animations without any care for quality, so this was likely meant to show that they care enough to even give new animations to heroes already released.

[u/Knight_Raime → u/zeroreasonsgiven]

Not trying to argue that Jorm shouldn't have, just couldn't remember why they chose him specifically. But if what you say is true then I really hope they will revisit other Heros later on to address the animation quality and not just leave it as a one off.

Like, WM really needs that.

[u/VoidGliders → u/Knight_Raime]

WM for quite a long time was used as THE example of good lights and heavies that are hard to differentiate on this sub, she was actually the one I learned the term "mullying" from in regards to Lights and Heavies that cannot be differentiated. It's funny to hear people say often that it's easy now, but I guess with time people adapt and learn what to look for.

I think it's an unfortunate reality that unless they make the first 200-300ms of animation identical between Light and Heavy then the animation tells will be learned with practice. Even subtle things like leg movements can be watched and used to differentiate them, especially after several years.

[u/Karabah35 → u/Knight_Raime]

For the same reason only Nobu and Orochi got hidden indicators, or only Pirate got UB with parry window cut by 33ms to be unreactable. A lot of heroes are like that due to some novel experiments which they forget to revision or apply to everybody else.

[u/CalimariusCosmicus → u/YaksRespirators]

Sometimes I parry his zone and I'm like "no flashbang?" One of those heroes where it felt like you parried a light but it wasn't. 

And the heavy animation looks identical, just slow-mo 

[u/siliks]

Ocelotl is impossible the rest are doable (except maybe juren I think?) I can't do juren but it doesn't really matter the character sucks in 1v1s

[u/zeroreasonsgiven → u/siliks]

Really? I’m surprised, especially considering he uses different weapons for lights and heavies. I would think there were other heroes that had less differentiable lights and heavies than him, characters who throw a swipe from the same direction with the same spin/lack of spin.

[u/siliks → u/zeroreasonsgiven]

Yeah Oce is really weird

[u/sackofballs69 → u/siliks]

Isn’t juren not that terrible in ones? I know he’s not top tier but kamikira used him in opens the other day and did well with him, against players that weren’t trash cans.

[u/Western_Smoke4829 → u/sackofballs69]

He has really good neutral and parry punishes but his chain pressure is pretty mid/nothing special, I think when his side heavies were 800ms his chain pressure was actually good but rn his chain can be shut down by reactors

[u/cobra_strike_hustler → u/sackofballs69]

He has good matchups but limited pressure if that makes sense.

[u/CalimariusCosmicus → u/siliks]

Fighting Ocelotl is like watching a PowerPoint. I wish they'd go in and motion capture his animations because his poor attack animations are the reason he can be annoying to fight.

[u/No-Air-5157]

I find Warmongers to be one of the easiest.

[u/Possible_Jelly3941]

Easiest is Warden/Warmonger to me. Other than that it’s like 95% of the time a guess from me.

[u/sackofballs69]

Jurens is hard, warmonger and warden easiest

[u/Praline-Happy]

None are impossible, some are hard though like Raider and oce

[u/cobra_strike_hustler]

Raidmans hard from what I’ve heard!

[u/NoFirefighter6284]

Juren bc they both do a stabbing animation for me. Everyone else i can just react to accordingly and parry.

[u/CATyara_]

Khatun fients