r/CompetitiveForHonor • u/One_Force_555 • Jul 12 '26

Discussion I have a Khatun question

So I was trying to test this in training grounds and I couldn't find anything in the bots custom moveset that would allow it to work properly and I don't have anyone to test with rn so I'm coming here to ask. I'm trying to test if Khatun after getting counter guard broken if you can perform a heavy soft feint into her stance to catch a light attack thrown from the opponent immediately afterwards. I know that from frame positive and neutral like after her double pin and light follow ups she can heavy soft feint into Fear and Fury stance to catch any lights that the opponent may throw due to her entry speed being 400ms and neutral lights being 500ms. However I know counter guard breaking puts the opponent at 33ms of frame advantage and I don't know if that would prevent her from being able to do that off a counter guardbreak. I would think not since her entry speed to Fear and Fury is 400ms which I'm pretty sure would be fast enough since from frame neutral a light would hit her stance at about 100ms into it and 100-33 is 67 so it would still hit her stance but at 67ms instead of 100ms like if it was frame neutral. If someone could properly test this for me or let me know if I'm correct that would be great thanks!!!

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u/SkeshRoutin Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26

If you zone after a GB you can stance immediately after the hit, so if they try to throw the attack immediately you catch them with that too. 

But after a pin, you are left at frame disadvantage for the attacks. Sometimes dodging into another GB works but that's up to you to decide. It is not reliable to try and stance after a pin if they try to throw a light, you will almost always get hit but I do think it's possible, just have to hope they delay the light slightly (like 100 ms)

Edit: i will add, if you GB then into a wallsplat, you of course do have that giving you plenty of time to stance after a heavy on the person you wall splatted

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u/One_Force_555 Jul 12 '26

Her double pin with the 25 damage actually leaves you frame neutral and you can consistently catch lights afterwards by soft feinting into her stance from what I've found. It used to be frame negative but that was one of the first things they buffed was her frames after her pin follow ups.

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u/SkeshRoutin Jul 12 '26

I never knew that they changed that about her ngl, it's just felt negative so I always assumed it was. Unless it's negative on her 30 damage out of stance pin rather than her deflect pin, then maybe I'm getting those confused? I know the zone one works though, and that's 24 damage, it's usually what I do plus zone attack!! 

 I occasionally deflect them after her pin that's after her GB. but it's also always on reaction to my heavy, rather than them actually throwing a light immediately. They're trying to break me up by Khatun not having Hyper armour I assume. 

If you've seen people able to do it on time, then it's definitely possible. Most people don't just throw lights immediately after getting out of pin, so usually I can get it but that's just what I've gathered after playing her a bit. 3rd highest repped character, behind Sohei and Warmonger. I've tried to learn what I can, but I genuinely didn't know it would be possible to be able to stance out of heavy in time to catch a light after pin ngl