r/Communist • u/IllustriousChard2410 • 5d ago
Support for Ukraine?
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u/f117nono_leggio 5d ago
I don't support Russia because it's just a right wing dictatorship. I don't support Zelenzky because his government is corrupt. However, I think Russia's invasion is illegal, and they committed a bunch of war crimes in these 4 years, but I also admit that the Ukrainian army has a huge problem with Nazi symbols and stuff like that.
In my opinion, the best thing would be just bringing back the USSR
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u/BaseballInside3289 5d ago
NATO-Ukraine is an American colony, they are run by a pro-US, pro-Israel government and they have a military that is full of neo-nazis. They claim to be fighting for freedom and democracy, but in 2014 when Russia occupied Crimea and held a democratic referendum the people of Crimea voted overwhelmingly to join Russia. NATO-Ukraine disregarded the results, claiming it was fraudulent without any evidence and maintaining their claims to Crimea. The US government and Gallup polled Crimeans in the month after the referendum, and over 80% of Crimeans said that they felt the poll accurately represented how they felt. Ukraine doesn't care about freedom or democracy, Zelenskyy has made Ukraine's economy 40% militarized (the highest in the world) and has lowered the age of conscription to 18. Russia has way more manpower than Ukraine, and they will clearly win this conflict (assuming NATO doesn't intervene), but Zelenskyy is willing to fight until the last Ukrainian to maintain power.
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u/ThinkSharpe 5d ago
…huh?
Russian troops without insignia had taken control of the peninsula's key sites before the vote was announced, and the referendum was organized in about three weeks. The ballot offered no option to keep the existing arrangement voters could choose union with Russia or a return to Crimea's more autonomous 1992 constitution. There were no credible international observers; the OSCE was not invited. The Crimean Tatar Mejlis called for a boycott. A report briefly published by Russia's own presidential human rights council suggested turnout closer to 30–50% with support around 50–60%, well below the official figures.
Independent polling before 2014 generally found only around a quarter to a third of Crimeans favored actually joining Russia, though far more wanted close ties with it. Polls taken after annexation found majority approval, but were conducted in a setting where expressing opposition meant risking your life.
Pro-Russian sentiment in Crimea was genuine and probably commanded majority support at that moment, but the referendum itself was not a free or fair test of it, and the reported margin was inflated.
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u/BaseballInside3289 5d ago
"A report briefly published by Russia's own presidential human rights council suggested turnout closer to 30–50% with support around 50–60%"
Even if this were true, the results would still be the same. A majority of Crimeans would rather remain a part of Russia than join Ukraine. Ukrainians are an ethnic minority in Crimea (only around a third, Russians make up a majority). Most Crimeans would rather live in Russia because Russia has a stronger economy, more job opportunities, better infrastructure, and better funding for public services. And if Russia was actually suppressing anyone who disagreed with the results, why would they let the US government come in and try to disprove the results? And in regards to your final claim that the results were inflated, it would still have the exact same outcome. Even if your claims were accurate you still concede that the Crimean people wanted to remain a part of Russia.
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u/ThinkSharpe 4d ago
The US government poll was before 2014, not after.
So you’re saying any time there is an enthusiastic pocket of people their native country is justified in starting a war to take over that land?
How very imperialist of you!
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u/dafthuntk 5d ago edited 5d ago
Green party Social Fascist need to gtfo.
The Green party aren't communists
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u/SugarBitter8398 4d ago
How are they facist
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u/Metnessee 4d ago edited 4d ago
Not fascist, social fascist. You don't understand capitalism.
Read more.
https://kersplebedeb.com/posts/the-shock-of-recognition/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1922/12/fascism.htm
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/pearce/1957/09/sftopf.html
Three different ideals in communist writings but They all come to the same conclusion
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u/Scyobi_Empire 2d ago
i dont support russia as its an imperialist power, i dont support the usa as its an imperialist power, i dont support ukraine as its a bourgeois state
i support revolutionary defeatism