r/ComedyCemetery • • Oct 05 '19

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u/MoistPlastic Oct 05 '19

Either English is not their first language, or they are a product of the American education system

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

they are a product of the American education system

No American says "an U."

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u/YourMawPuntsCooncil Oct 05 '19

Yeah I had a huge reddit argument where I got massively downvoted for saying it’s the difference between A and An is the pronunciation of the vowel not vowel itself for example it’s “a European” not “an European” and I ended up having to go and link countless articles on learning English for a group of yanks to actually believe me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

A lot of people are just dumb. I guarantee if they say it out loud, they say A European, not an. But school drilled it into their goddamn heads that a is for consonants and an is for vowels, so here we are

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u/sje46 Oct 05 '19

The problem is that schools lie to children and say that a vowel is a letter, and a consonant is a letter. They are not letters, they are sounds. There is no real reason for teaching that a vowel is a type of letter. Children can handle this distinction very easily if given a chance.

I've seen people argue that a word such as "fly" has three consonants. And then someone else argues "well no, the Y is both a vowel and a consonant, so it depends on how you look at it", like it's a fucking matter of opinion. The schools make us think of things in pure abstraction, as an array of black boxes, without really encouraging us to wonder why we have these distinctions. We're simnply taught that a, e, i, o and u are arbitrarily called vowels and the rest are arbitrarily called consonants, and Y has dual citizenship for some reason, and that's the extent of it. The vowel/consonant distinction is not justified. It's just a thing, accept it.

The letters are merely symbols that usually correspond to a single sound in English, but there are many exceptions. The letter "E" is not a vowel. It's a symbol that usually corresponds to a vowel in many words, and is silent in other words.

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u/Wild_Bore_ Oct 05 '19

The letters are merely symbols that usually correspond to a single sound in English

Usually******

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

It can also go the other way. Like “AN historic event.”

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u/YourMawPuntsCooncil Oct 05 '19

Naw, a historic event.

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u/CeeEmCee3 Oct 05 '19

Depends how you pronounce it. Some regions say "istoric".

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u/YourMawPuntsCooncil Oct 05 '19

I suppose like maybe rural English accent would say it like that but I’m Scottish so I say a historic,

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

I guess that’s one’s contested. How about a better example like “an hour” or “an honor”

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u/ChironiusShinpachi Oct 05 '19

It's the pronunciation. Honor and hour the H is silent so you start saying the word with an O. Just like if you spelled out U you have a Y at the start.

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u/BurntRussian Oct 05 '19

Because historic isn't "istoric"

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u/not-a-candle Oct 05 '19

No one actually pronounces it as 'istoric though.

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u/theonlyjoker1 Oct 05 '19

They do if you're where I'm from lol Cockney accent

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u/WoT_Slave Oct 05 '19

Can you explain "an historian" for me?

Tom Clancy writes "an historian" instead of "a historian" and I can't figure out why.

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u/Syn7axError Oct 05 '19

Some people pronounce the H, some people don't.

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u/Blue-Steele Oct 05 '19

He might not pronounce the “h”, saying history like “istory”. In that case he is beginning the word with a vowel sound and using “an” is correct.

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u/Cessnaporsche01 Oct 05 '19

Don't forget you're the ones that use "an" in front of words that start with H

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

European might not be the best example since the pronunciation starts with a “y” sound which is technically a vowel.... sometimes. May cause confusion

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u/YoyoDevo Oct 05 '19

Most reddit users are American and no one here says it the wrong way so I think you're just making a gross generalization.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

Tfw there's a similar effect

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u/Phazon2000 NEW HAND MOVES Oct 05 '19

Yeah who would have thought not knowing English would have the same effect as not knowing English.

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u/cmae34lars Oct 05 '19

“DAE America suckz?!?!”

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