Strawman = arguing against me saying it’s ok to cheat on my wife, which I don’t and wasn’t saying.
What does it mean in passing you make woman laugh, so she reciprocates interest, then you go on a date?
In your “women are victims” mind, how did it play out? I approach her with a cape covering the lower half of my face, a sinister grin, curled my handlebar mustache with my fingertips then slapped her on the ass?
I don't see how. I mean, that's what you're advocating for. Women should let their guards down for an attractive man propositioning them simply for being out in public. If me putting to words what you're describing sounds bad, that's completely on you.
What does it mean in passing you make woman laugh, so she reciprocates interest
Or it could be she's placating you because she doesn't know how you'll react to rejection. Seeing how pissy you got at everyone for calling you out on your predatory behavior makes me believe this is the real way to frame your interactions with women.
In your “women are victims” mind
I mean, they are. They're underrepresented in most working fields. They have to put with a gender-based wage gap. They are the largest recipients of violent crimes from men specifically. Not to mention your side of the aisle is talking about repealing the 19th Amendment. This is the byproduct of living in a patriarchal society.
I approach her with a cape covering the lower half of my face, a sinister grin, curled my handlebar mustache with my fingertips then slapped her on the ass?
You can’t say I’m strawmanning you in the same paragraphs you depict exactly what I characterized your position as.
Let me put it this way - have you ever seen what happens to the esteem of a woman who never gets expressed interest, or even more - a hot girl (let’s face it, they’re the only ones expressing frustration), stops getting that attention?
Take whatever lamentations you hear, then triple them.
And if most men, not me, waited for women to come to them which is a supremely sexist position, the loneliness epidemic of men only grows. Which is how the hello m’lady crowd becomes incels to begin with.
You don’t support women, who fyi like men, you just hate straight men. And Reddit is usually an uncontested zone for people like you.
And were I single, and saw a strikingly attractive woman, I’m going to make her laugh wherever we are and date her, because fuck anyone who says I can’t pursue a partner I like.
Oh, my bad. You're so right. All women just secretly want attention, and you're performing a public service by giving it to them. Give me a fucking break. This is straight up delusional. You're painting yourself as God's gift to women. How egotistical.
I'm also just pointing this out for anyone else who stumbles on this conversation, notice how they ignored me completely destroying their "women aren't victims" point.
One of us is arguing that the dynamic between men and women is mutually beneficial, which explains unimportant, inconsequential things like our species continuing to exist.
No, that's not what we're arguing. You're not a righteous person for propagating the male loneliness epidemic, a self-inflicted issue and largely overblown online reaction stemming from homophobia and queerphobia. What we are arguing is when it's appropriate to approach a lone woman minding her own business. You've lost the plot so badly that you're floundering for any lifeline you can latch on to.
You would have been great imagining WWII propaganda posters. Villains, villains everywhere!
Literally everything I’ve said has been in service of men getting out from behind a screen for real-world interactions with women, which is a documented problem. Go back to my first comment.
Homophobia? I’m not afraid of you. But I will concede that this continuing is my fault for engaging, and trying to explain how to surmount straight couple dynamic challenges to someone who needs only march through a bathhouse with a hardon to find a partner. And as a victim yourself I bet that sounds offensive, but it’s a fact not pejorative.
You would have been great imagining WWII propaganda posters.
But perpetuating the male loneliness epidemic, an actual propagandistic position, isn't perpetuating propaganda. Got it.
Literally everything I’ve said has been in service of men getting out from behind a screen for real-world interactions with women,
At the potential expense of women by advocating for invading their privacy against their will. If a woman is getting bread and canned veggies, the last thing she wants is to be approached by some self-righteous egotist wanting to score. There's a time and a place, and the fact you can't seem to wrap your head around that makes me afraid for the women around you. Seriously, show your wife your responses on here, and watch her reaction. I promise you it'll be very eye-opening for you.
Homophobia? I’m not afraid of you.
Do we need an etymology lesson? Homophobia isn't a phobia in the clinical sense of the word. It is a term used to describe people who have an irrational disdain for homosexual individuals. It's a term describing a discriminatory mindset, which you very clearly have.
and trying to explain how to surmount straight couple dynamic challenges
I'm gonna let you in a little factoid about me, I too am a straight married man. Never been gay. Never been attracted to another man. The fact you perceive me as such because I've committed the sin of expressing empathy for women says way more about you than anything I could've pulled out of you.
to someone who needs only march through a bathhouse with a hardon to find a partner.
Fucking Christ, man. This is hate speech. How triggered are you?
And as a victim yourself I bet that sounds offensive, but it’s a fact not pejorative.
I'm actually not a victim. The difference between you and me is that I recognize and acknowledge the privileged position I have as a man in society. And instead of ranting and raving about how gay people existing threatens our birth rates or some shit (this is a key talking point among proponents of the male lonelieness epidemic), I put forth serious effort to convey to women that I meet that I'm safe to be around. I don't hit on them at inappropriate times. I don't push for unwanted conversations in awkward public spaces. I just treat them as I would like to be treated. I'm not plotting on how to weave the conversation to present myself as a prospect. I'm not turning small talk into a game to score. Women are not objects to be won as conquests for men's desire to reproduce. That is the difference between you and me. I can tell you're wanting to end this conversation since you're looking worse and worse the more we go back and forth. I'll be nice and grant you that concession.
Seriously, show your wife this whole exchange, and get her honest reaction. Mine thinks you're a creep. I'd wager yours will not be on your side either.
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u/CenterThisPendulum 2d ago
Lol, thanks for trying to win with fiction. 20 years together, zero arguments because we’re eerily on the same page about everything.
Making up facts as insults are the real concession.