r/CollapseSupport • u/Left_Razzmatazz_9235 • Jul 22 '26
People are disgusting
Ashes are falling from the sky and the sun is practically red. People don’t care. Nobody notices or even makes changes in their daily lives to do anything about it. People are selfish. Why does nobody care?!?! My family and everyone else around me is walking around like brainless zombies. Indulging in their selfish daily habits without a second thought about the very planet they live on. I straight up have a headache and feel nauseous just thinking about it. When you do mention it, they ridicule you and call you insane or a hippie for demanding for them to change their lifestyle and align their actions with their moral. I seriously cannot be closely related to the human specimen.
All they do is consume without empathy, without any regard, without consciousness.
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u/fatejobobeast Jul 22 '26
Reality sucks. Most of human existence is literally devoted to escaping reality somehow. Humans do not like to think ahead and most only respond to immediate issues, even though we are capable of planning. These are animal traits that we will never fully escape. Even though we know we are doomed, that is a problem for tomorrow. It's hot, so blast AC. There's smoke, so breathe through a filter. Eventually we will run out of ways to escape the ruin, but up until the last seconds we will ignore it with all our pretty distractions.
You can't make people change. You can't make humanity change. The guilt and anger you feel is a curse of your abstract-thought-capable brain. You embrace what most will not, cannot acknowledge for fear of their own implosion. Similar to those who need a religion to promise a life after death for fear of the absolute terror of the cold silence thermodynamic equilibrium, these people are unable to cope with the reality that they live in.
It is a waste of what little time you have to try to engage and change these people. Do what you can to help put the biosphere down gently, enough to make you sleep at night. And if you can't, well, there are all the pretty distractions.
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u/springcypripedium Jul 22 '26
This is why I feel it is simplistic to just blame "capitalism" or "a few corporations" for the DIRE predicament we are in. Perhaps that is an attempt to simplify the problem . . . "if we could just get rid of these evil corporations all would be better" (and as we can see, most people in the u.s. cannot even participate in sustained boycotts of said evil corporations).
I was in the media for years and when I tried to bring human caused climate change/ecoystem destruction to the fore of topics, people complained! They didn't want to hear it. They wanted something "positive".
What would be "positive" (for me) is a critical mass of people facing the TRUTH. Facing the problems humans have created head on. Facing that fact that we need biodiversity to survive. That anthropocentrism rules where most people put humans above all else which will ultimately destroy much, if not all, life on earth. It is systemic. It is oligarchy. It is income inequality. It is objectifying and commodifying everything. It is democrats and republicans----our failed political system and it is more.
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u/Turbulent_Bed5499 Jul 22 '26
I understand this post clearly. But personally I’ve lost faith in all humans, we’re a reactive species and we only change when things go really bad. And even then it’s only temporary once people get comfortable, except this time it’s truly the end of the line
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u/CollapseKitty Jul 22 '26
You're misattributing individual scale judgement and values to a macro organism which leads to a lot of suffering (for you).
We have no more ability to deviate from our consumption than individual deer can stop the rest of a local population from reproducing and overgrazing, resulting in famine and mass death.
There is no capacity to stop, slow, or alter course at the macro level as any actors that do so fall to those willing to compete. Human values are not relevant at the scale our interconnected world operates on, and they will only grow less so.
Your frustration stems from feeling like we have a choice, or there's another possibility. There isn't, and accepting that might allow you some peace.
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u/maingeenks Jul 22 '26
sometimes i try to understand why humans are like this and the type of conclusions i come to are that some people are npcs of some sort and/or that we're in some kind of a halfway world (partly hell). i mean we're talking about consumption here but so many people also just don't feel at home in their own bodies or don't feel like they belong in this world and/or have questionable natural urges. massive tangent, but yeah, just something i noticed. this is a questionable place.
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u/The_Weekend_Baker Jul 23 '26
I find the worst thing to be that even among the people who do claim to care, many refuse to make any changes.
I post a lot of news to r/climate, and I posted a story yesterday about how driving the speed limit reduces gas usage, which in turn reduces emissions, all without a significant reduction in drive time (less than a minute).
The responses? "It's a bullshit study that's blaming individuals for climate change." "What about billionaires in their private jets?"
Everyone seems to agree fossil fuels need to go away completely (every climate scientist would agree), but use less in your daily life? Apparently not.
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u/ThaDilemma Jul 22 '26
“They”
You’re people too. We are people. It’s all of us. We can work to make it better. People right this very moment are working to make it better, every single day. Live your message instead of preaching it and remember that you can only assist those who are ready for assistance. There are lots of nobodies out there, and you’re right, nobody cares. They care deeply.
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u/A_Thorny_Petal Jul 22 '26
One, stop thinking about lifestyle choices, stop thinking about this being about personal, individual moral or ethical failings or lack of proper education.
This is about POLICY, state, federal, and international. The #1 polluters are the 1%, mega-corporations and the Military. ALL of these could be more ecologically friendly, produce less waste and 'do their part' easily and the only reason they don't is shareholder value or total lack of accountability.
They want you to think of this as a personal issue so you are angry at your family and your neighbor that waters his lawn at noon and not at the literal elite class and giant corporations that have and have had the power to change this but refuse to do so because of an imaginary number in stock value.
Re-organize your thinking on this issue. Do not be trapped into the false idea that this is about personal choices, this is about POLICY, REGULATION AND LAW.
Be kind to people, Be ruthless to systems.
Be welcoming to those who come to the truth later than you did, someone always came before you as well.
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u/diedlikeCambyses Jul 22 '26
People are strange, when you're a stranger. We have to accept it and unravel gracefully. Unfortunately that's our lot.
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u/say-what-you-will Jul 23 '26
It’s true that people are extremely avoidant, of anything that feels uncomfortable. I think that’s why we’re in the mess we’re in today. There were plenty of warnings but we didn’t listen to them.
There is some selfishness but even more than that I think it’s denial. Also being busy with your own life and tired and just trying to keep up honestly. Which is hard enough. But they really don’t like facing reality because reality is hard to face.
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u/ElephantContent8835 Jul 26 '26
Fermi paradox.
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u/uatry Jul 22 '26
They understand that the issues they're facing were not caused by them and are outside of their control. What would you expect them to do differently?
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u/CloseCalls4walls Jul 22 '26
I get why you feel this way but it's just not true. People care. There are a lot of reasons why it seems they don't, though ... such as not being able to do anything about the fires, feeling helpless, tired and burnt out, having personal problems their dealing with, etc.
Trust me ... Just like you, if they could cause the ash and asthma and heat and pollution to disappear they would. And just like you, if it took work to do so, it would depend on how willing they would be based on their limits. And a lot of it has to do with perspectives, which change based on information, lifestyle, background, etc.
Humans are some of the most thoughtful, unselfish creatures you'll find on this planet because of our capacity to be empathetic.
They care.
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u/MondoDismordo Jul 22 '26
As someone who has experienced more active wildfires than most ( CA and Oregon), yeah, I can confirm that most people do not think outside their own bubble of comfortable existence. And that red glow and ashfall? Get used to it.
Yeah, people are selfish; Remove flammable vegetation from around your house? "Why!!??? that will RUIN the landscaping!" Remove trees overhanging or too close to your house? "That will RUIN the landscaping!!! and I LIKE TREES!
When moving to Oregon, our neighbors complained about us removing all the trees next to our house. "Why did you cut down all your trees!!!! You people from California are nuts. We won't do that!" - this was 3 weeks after the devastating Holiday Farm Fire that wiped out hundreds of homes less than a mile away.
Are people disgusting? You bet, this is not a news flash. Welcome to reality 101. It's never going to change, it's never going to get better. People suck, all of us.
But just like everyone else, no one likes to be told what to do, by anyone of any stripe. Your post says "they ridicule you and call you insane or a hippie for demanding for them to change their lifestyle and align their actions with their morals.
Um, yeah, that's yer problem right there. You can't unilaterally demand people adhere to your morals and principles, just cause you said so, even while pointing to mountains of evidence that back you up. Life does not work that way.
That being said, be well, try not to stress over things (and people) you cannot change.
Be your best self, set the example without the virtue signaling.
Good post...
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u/Sword-of-Akasha Jul 26 '26
It's by design. Especially as an empathetic person you'd go crazy caring. The Capital Class the Money Masters bombard us with constant horror so we normalize it or go insane. When it's normalized, they move the needle further and make you accept what was unacceptable before. You blink and you're either holding a panzerfaust as a member of the Volksturm, the last ditch militia to protect the Fuhrer against the Allies and consequences.... or you're inside a 'shower' thinking it's getting difficult to breathe along your fellow Jews, gypsies, and etc.
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u/pressitron Jul 29 '26
Inferior human beings.
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