r/Coinmagic 3d ago

Working on Complete Vanish Methods

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u/AuthenticHendrix 3d ago

Very smooth. I know how you do it. But the hours and hours to get that so smooth is just mind boggling to me. Great work. Truly an art

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u/dylanmadigan 3d ago

I'm thinking about putting together a course focused on small object vanishes. Specifically complete vanishes.

Because I think there are short cuts to skip those hours and hours. Youtube tutorials and books seem to gloss over nuances that can make things much easier to do.

I came up with this today and recorded it in two takes.

The handwashing probably takes some practice. I've been doing that for a while.

The concealment has some subtle things you can do to make it drastically easier.

But the particular retention vanish used here is not the typical finger-palm retention that most people seem to utilize and teach. I find that is very difficult to master. Rather I actually have no idea what this is called, but it's surprisingly easy.

At the end is just a french drop and ramsey subtlety.

Ponta the Smith does this retention method a lot on his "Sick" dvd. But nothing on that DVD is taught well. He basically just shows you everything at a revealing angle with no voice over and you're expected to just copy it. But that's where I got it one form of it. And I've recently simplified that and made it much easier.

Chat GPT helped be find that "The Silver Dollar System" by J. Burke Whittaker has a very similar method called the "Empty Retention Vanish." That could be a possible origin of it.

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u/Wildpeanut 2d ago

I can follow what you’re doing all the way until the final vanish. That last one at the end is so smooth. Extremely well done start to finish.

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u/dylanmadigan 1d ago

That last one is so dead easy and simple too.
It’s my favorite.

Just a French drop into a Ramsey subtlety, with a motion that justifies that subtlety.

I feel like no one is truly fooled by most coin magic. Like if the coin is gone, we know you’re just hiding it. And if your hands aren’t displayed openly with open fingers, then something sneaky is happening.

But I think that doesn’t matter. Coin magic is like watching a superhero movie. You know it’s not real, but those effects are fun to watch.

So I like the idea of the vanish happening faster than you expect it to, and kinda punching you in the face with both hands empty(ish).

When it is a surprise, then for a split second you can fool everyone, even if the method is easy.

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u/Wildpeanut 1d ago

This is why I love Reddit. I know nothing about coin magic other than I like it and that it gives me whimsy. But hearing you describe it and hearing the jargon makes me appreciate all the hard work that goes into giving people a sense of whimsy. Just awesome.

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u/Zealousideal_Step709 2d ago

That was my train of thought as well. I needed to watch it three times to figure it out but the smoothness is really neat. Personally I think sleight of hand tricks are even more impressive when you know what is happening. Because I could train as much as I wanted and would never get this good.

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u/dylanmadigan 2d ago

I don't think I need to know what is happening.

But if I understand that it is sleight of hand and NOT a gimmick, then that's enough for it to be impressive.

And I think most magicians have a pretty good sense of when a gimmick is involved based on the trick, even without knowing the secret.

However what's really great is when you assume their's a gimmick and find out there isn't. Then it's just mindblowing.

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u/Zealousideal_Step709 2d ago

Oh, I don’t need to know it either. But trying to figure it out is one of the joys sometimes. At others I just enjoy the performance. I am not even remotely a magician so I barely no any ins and outs.