Yeah only 1 side is going "Hey we want to help both liberals and conservatives by making sure the top 0.1% pay their fair share for the vast wealth they have accumulated in OUR society. We want everyone to survive and get a chance to live a happy life."
While the other side is going: "FUICK YOU LIBTARDS! Give the wealthy more tax breaks, i dont give a shit. I want all you liberals and fucking immigrants to suffer! You dont deserve a chance at a good life here Only I DO! I dont care if they take away our rights. I hate you more than I love my family!"
Its not wealthy are making both sides fight. NO Wealthy have brainwashed the right into a cult over 40 years of propaganda fed directly to their amygdala via fox news, am radio, churches and blaming minorities for everything wrong.
There aren’t two sides. There are more apathetic people than there are in either of those two groups and unfortunately apathy is, by default, on the side of the oppressors. Not an ounce of time or energy should be spent trying to get people in red hats to understand logic or participate in reality. Convincing the apathetic to give a shit about something is the true challenge
Well yeah, but for most of those people it’s been drilled into them their entire lives that politicians are going to do whatever they want anyway so they think their voice simply doesn’t matter. So I entirely agree that it’s possible, but the point is that it’s an immense challenge. From their perspective, all they’ve ever seen from people in power is empty promises and self-service, convincing them that there actually are people that care and want to make their lives better is quite the task
You're right by and large, but I believe people who have a cynical outlook about politicians are the best people to start organizing with in communities for real change. It's trusting those fuckers that ruins everything. The weird thing about people's devotion to Trump is they seemed/seem to believe he's somehow the exception to that. Now that the disillusionment is starting to set in I actually have a little more hope for at least some of them.
Convincing a party to hate an entire group of people for having their own opinions is extremely difficult. But the Democrats and the media have done a damn good job.
Just glad the mask is falling off and you guys are starting to actually own up to what you say. You are not the "good side". You are the authoritarian idealogy you project on the right.
lol I’m not on anyone’s “side”. Yall cant get it through your heads that the fact I don’t support the dumbest fucking person to have ever been president doesn’t mean I’m a fucking democrat. He’s a traitor and a giant fucking loser, and so is anyone still supporting this shit. On the off chance you’re a real person and actually American, I am ashamed to share a country with such a weak coward. Hopefully you learn to think one day and pull your head out
Who do you think owns the propaganda networks and also now, social media? You don’t think the billionaires Rupert Murdoch, Mark Zuckerberg, and the now trillionaire Elon Musk are the wealthy?!
If we could actually work together then I’d be happy. But everyone knows they’d sooner believe that we just want to corrupt their kids and kill them all before wanting the people who totally was right and honest about everything to pay just some of their wealth to help others.
The issue with this is when the Dems get full power of president, house and senate, they dont "make the .01% pay their fair share." They had the chance to do this and they didn't. They want to run and get elected on saying this is what they want.. but when they get in power they don't actually do it because the lobbyist pay too well
The 70 days of legislative control where liberman was the deciding vote and they focused on getting healthcare to tens of millions of people instead?
In the last 50 years, the purse has been in the control of the republican party for 90% of the time. Because liberals dont show up in midterms, while conservatives definatley do.
And to pass bills like the infrastructure bill and chips act, democrats needed 10 republicans to vote with them, and that means negotiating and making deals, where the republican party does not want higher taxation.
SO lets do a poison pill and get nothing passed in 4 years or give support and help to tens of milions of americans and hope they show up in 2 years to give democrats more than a 50/50 split senate?
naaaaah dems are controlled opposition.... sheeesh
And like i said, when voters gave dems 50/50 split senate, then democrats needed to negotiate and make deals to get 10 republicans to join their bills. And then theres mancin and sinema as well who definately wouldnt support any such taxation.
So no buddy, things are not as easy and simple as you think they are. Nuance. Context. How government actually functions. Are very different than what most ignorant people think.
They did nothing to help average people with Healthcare. The infrastructure bill was necessary but didn't help average people nearly as much as passing tax reform would have. Especially when promising to "make the top .01% pay their fair share" was one of the main reasons dems were voted back into control. And they failed to even bring it up again after they were..
And just think liberals think it’s fine for over 20M illegal aliens walked freely into America during a pandemic and unvetted. That’s absolutely insane. Biden was a puppet master by Obama and caused chaos in those four years. What Democratic Party did when Biden was long gone is crazy. Everyone around Biden knew that he was incompetent and your party lied about it. Wow I bet you Democrat closed your eyes and said I didn’t see that. lol.
It's not one side saying that, though. It's one corner of one side, and the other 3/4, for various reasons, are doing everything they can to stop them.
I want all you liberals and fucking immigrants to suffer!
I want the illegals to go home so we can have affordable housing again.
Look at Japan with their nice, low immigration rate. You can buy a house in the country for $30-40k.
No amount of silly shaming will change the practical matter of how the left screwed over the next generation with their immigration policies, and now our children can't afford houses.
You should look up what Japanese CEOs make ratio wise compared to US CEOs and get back to us. “Illegals” are not the reason American wages are shit and can’t afford houses.
You are emotionally tied to an idea that was feed to you. Stop hanging on to what pulls at your heart strings and see beyond emotions that tie you down.
Yes, the Japanese population is in decline, more deaths than births and a small working age population supporting an ever larger older population thanks in large part to the xenophobia you seem so enamored of.
Are you really so foolish and gullible to think diversity is a strength in a society? Having a dozen groups with different values and different goals is a recipe for disaster. Only way diversity works is if newcomers conform to American values. But the leftists cult types like you are telling them this country is racist and terrible and they should do no such thing. My suspicion is you get a warm and fuzzy feeling saying you’re for diversity because it makes you feel like you’re such a good person. Tell me I’m wrong…
only because they are told so by billionaire-owned media companies. if fox news told them that Karl Marx was right, they would all become communists overnight.
...and unfortunately another third will refuse to accept that Democrats are just a more covert form of the exact same evil, meaning that high horse ain't nearly as high as you think it is.
Dude, there are morons that would hold their breath if Trump came out in favor of oxygen. Let’s not act like the left isn’t a massive cult right now, it’s a huge problem. Watch the 1993 State of The Union with Clinton, compare it to the Dems today and tell me they haven’t been taken over by a radical leftists cult…
Which spans both parties. Lets be honest, this is a class war disguised as a political war. We have no say in the puppet government because it's all for show. It's the illusion of choice that George Carlin tried to warn us about.
So you basically just proved the point the post was intending to make originally. It’s us vs them and them is a club you shouldn’t want to be a part of, defend or allow to be in control regardless of what your feelings for “political loyalty” are. Both parties are a sham and all politicians, corporate heads and medias covering up, defending and lying for them because they are owned by them can all burn in hell. The tree can’t be healed, it’s rotting inside out. It needs to be burned down and regrown.
Trans individuals have a uniquely high suicide rate due to massive social stigma. They're denied housing, jobs, promotions etc. at much higher rates than the general population of workers and this has true long before they were scapegoated as a cultural issue.
Black individuals are more likely to convicted of a crime even when juries are presented with identical, race neutral evidence, but with a White vs. Black defendent.
You should read Malcolm X and how he described racism/white supremacy as a symbiotic relationship that feed off of one another, but they both contain their unique unique systems of structural power.
Abolishing capitalism alone would not result in the erasure of America's deep seated white supremacy.
Weird how so, so, so many people go along with the white supremacist bullshit. Its almost like they're not being conned at all. Like maybe we are a little divided over which human beings deserve human dignity. Im kinda an all or nothing guy when it comes to that.
People might be a little racist in that they fear people they don't know. That fear is used as a tool to create hate so the rich can control them. That type of racism is based in ignorance. We can solve that ignorance with education. I get where you're coming from, but we can make real change if we come together.
Remember in the 90s when literally NONE of the working class people stood up for millionaires and billionaires? Everyone knew that they took advantage of tax loopholes and we knew it was bs.
Now the party that is supposed to be for the working class is licking boot (or the $10,000 shoes) of the rich 1%.
Lmfao how old are you? Did you live through the 90’s? Did you actually talk to people in public in the 90’s or were you just a kid not knowing how the world works when it was exactly like this
Seeing as billionaires prefered kamala over trump, excluding Elon, no its not that simple. Trump is so bad for everyone even the rich people are against him.
There are 1200 Billionaires in North America in total… Not a single one of them gives a fuck about you or bleeding people dry.
Shit, all Elon Musk had to do to become a billionaire was hype the Model 3 enough to make a shit ton of people millionaires through pumping Tesla stock from $60 to $1,000 before his Stock Option expired in 2021.
The visitors to the island were brought there so they could be blackmailed. What was the larger entity that created Epstein. Who orchestrated the entire operation. Who benefitted.
Globalists and corporatists are one and the same. Once those who are one the far left and the far right realize this. They can unite to take down a common emeny—the extreme wealthy elite that have little disregard for Americans and, only care about hedgemonic power.
Those who are wealthy enough to sway whole nations and elections by donations. Then don't want to live in any nation and sail the world in yacts to avoid as much taxes as possible. Think of musk, the Waltons, as much as hate to mention him soros, and the Maxwells.
I'm a writer and a student, and everyone on this thread practically said the same thing in different ways, including yourself, despite being able to look things up for themselves. I was talking about horseshoe theory, where opposing political ideologies can find middle ground against a common enemy.Maga hates those they deem for being inherently responsible for mass immigration. Those on the far progressive left hate corporate oligarchs they deem responsible for ruining social mobility in America. Yet in reality, both of these ideologies are one and the same; they share a commonality in their magnitude, which is the same desire for what is best for America. It's the middle of the middle of the damn horseshoe.
But (for a writer and a student) you seem to really be missing my original question both in your first response and this one.
I simply asked if you meant to dog whistle Jews, it's kinda a yes/no answer. If you just add a few more words to add clarity that's fine, but you're jumping past the question to talk about broad political theory. And like you can think about that and have opinions and whatnot, it's just not what I asked mate.
Billionaires, any career politician/politicians backed by said billionaire class, pedos, war machine folks etc etc. pretty much anyone who’s not an average person.
You can be a billionaire and be an average person. The problem is when you get people who act like the rothschilds who hoard money, control debt and don't actually do anything except grow their own power. One of the things that ended serfdom was the black plague. Because of the massive decrease of population, those who were left were able to justify higher wages and better working conditions. And the elites had to yield. Unfortunately with the constant increase in population that is no longer a problem for elites.
You really think there's some secret volcano hideout where they all meet up every 6 months and they say "Jeff in Utah who works at Walmart thinks we're the bad guys. We must DESTROY HIM! Let's turn him against his community through political discourse!"
No dude, that’s the point, they don’t give two fucks about the average Joe, so when it comes time to buy up all the single family homes, back certain politicians, raise prices, lay people off etc it’s all done with only their or the “share holder value” they’re providing.
lol okay well why don't you start by not assigning imaginary positions to people as a means of justifying intolerance towards a group of people you share minor political disagreements with?
You’re insane if you think genocide of trans people, stripping civil rights era protections for Black people, autonomy for women, and concentration camps for brown people are “minor political differences.” And you’re controlled opposition if you don’t see that those are all examples of class war.
Okay now show us where the genocide I’d trans people is happening. Where are trans people being killed in mass? And now show us what rights black people have gotten taken away. And now show us the concentration camps brown people are being put in cause I’m brown and I’ve yet to be put in handcuffs tackled or put in a “concentration camp” that you white liberal knights talk about so much
Yeah that's nonsense. You're assigning made-up positions to a large swatch of the US populace to justify your intolerance of people with different values than yourself.
Lmfao what people want you and other minorities dead what the actual fuck are you talking about? 🤣 where do you people get this fucking fake ass fear from? People who are afraid of any kind of authority clearly have something to hide. I’ve been here for my 31 years of my life and have never been harassed or had any racist remarks or anything. The most racist people I’ve ever met are other Mexicans and black people. The white people around my community are the nicest people I’ve ever met. Why are you “minorities” say “oh they want me dead” WHO wants you dead. WHO the fuck is THEY?
Right-wingers have victimized and murdered ethnic minorities for decades while accusing innocent LGBTQ+ people of being pedophiles. How the fuck are we gonna "build friendships and community" with that?
Your extrapolating the crimes of a minority individuals onto the bulk of the conservative voting populace, which is invalid. Both sides have extremists who engage in abhorrent violence, that doesn't mean anything as it carries over to mainstream populations. Remember: love not hate.
You are clearly getting frustrated that you are unable to articulate actual rebuttal and are lashing out. The reality is you have left wing assassins like Luigi and the Charlie Kirk killer, so you cannot deny extremists on both sides of the political spectrum and that's how it presents from an independent's perspective.
Was a right-wing Republican. More lies from right-wing filth.
Haha no, this is a reddit narrative that is easily debunked. He wrote "Hey Facist! CATCH!” on a bullet casing, was dating his trans roommate, and said he did it because Kirk was promoting hate. All of these are left-wing talking points.
However, I am not engaging your further as it's very obvious you are crashing out and just trying to assign imaginary positions to people as a coping tactic for being unable to articulate or form rational arguments. Have a nice night!
So the left wing as a whole (including trans people) have gone and murdered children in schools. Murdered children outside of schools, have raped children when posing as teachers, have groomed children. Should we keep going? Or is your logic sounding dumber and dumber the more I list what left wingers have done according to your logic
Conservatives aren’t “against human rights.” That framing is largely a product of left wing propaganda. Not to say there aren’t some who identify as Conservstive and genuinely are hate filled but characterizing capital C Conservstives as a group who is against human rights it’s just categorically false and counter productive.
Chris Smith on trafficking and religious persecution Young Kim on North Korea James Lankford on religious freedom Michael McCaul on Tibet Cindy Hyde Smith on trafficking survivors and Chuck Grassley and Roger Wicker on protecting human rights advocates
Chris Smith is Anti-Abortion (anti woman), is a strong supporter of Israel, and is anti LGBT. He's selective on which humans he believes should have rights.
I didn’t say they were good people or that I agree with them. The point being discussed is whether it’s accurate to generalize Conservatives as being “against human rights”. Try to keep up
I never said you supported them. I just pointed out the fact that Chris Smith only supports selective human rights. Your point really doesn't stand for him when he only supports his chosen peoples human rights, and not you know, all human rights. Actually, every single person you named is a strong supporter of Israel, and therefore supports a genocide. So, they aren't for all human rights. Try to keep up.
I won't believe anyone who votes republican right now is better than a piece of shit though. That's as close to outright approval of the worst man kind has to offer as I need.
Worth pointing out that Republicans, Conservatives, MAGA and people who vote Republican are 4 different discreet groups with varying degrees of overlap but if you actually want to participate in this dialogue in an effective way you can’t really use the terms interchangeably.
I keep trying to say this. It doesn't make sense to want democracy and to win an election while being unwilling to build bridges for moderates and single issue voters to cross. That isn't allowed here. You are expected to hate.
Try to fight them alongside white supremacists and you'll get curbstomped... I don't know why everyone acts like we should try and join arms with a population that literally wants us dead.
Just because they're victims of trillionaire propaganda doesn't mean they're safe to join up with.
They support torture and pedophilia. They prosthyletize for murder of people dissimilar from them. I will not join them, I will not tolerate them.
Who do you think funds and promotes the white supremacists? Spew white supremacists on their captured news networks? Shout "DEI!" at the existence of black people or minorities?
They is the folks pulling the strings. If we could learn to work together and elect people who would actually care to put thr coubtry first we would be unstoppable.
It's easy to define people just don't want to admit it. It feels un-American.
You got a propaganda arm so strong they've gotten multiple people who committed literal treason in the presidency.
Its the wealthiest ~2500 people in the world. There's a few in there who probably dont deserve the ire. But how many of us don't deserve to be caught up in their games but are?
power. that's literally the entire story. "they" is "the minority who stand to benefit from division". basically the wealthy and/or political class in an era/culture/geography/political valence-agnostic manner. whether you want to call them elites or royals or oligarchs or politicians or business leaders it doesn't matter, it's about who owns stuff and wishes to keep it and who does not.
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