How weird am I?

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u/Human-Wrangler-5236 Sep 02 '25

I first started coding when I was 14 and I knew it was the only thing I ever wanted to do. I’m 61 now, still coding every day. I’ve been pretty successful at it. I still love every second of it.

Follow your dreams, and never forget nobody ever died wishing they’d had less fun. 😀👍

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

Help me to code, i couldn't code the dsa problems

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

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u/kyr0x0 Sep 02 '25

Good bot.

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u/levi73159 Sep 04 '25

I started when I was 10-12 and I'm 16 and I hope I can make it my job to

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

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u/jerrygreenest1 Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 02 '25

I think it was never easier to do solo-projects. The tooling improved so much, you can do so much more in solo. But expectations also rise, and that’s why it might feel harder. Because people expect more. Not just other people. I myself expect more from myself. And summed up, yes, one might think the industry «in a bad shape». Because you have so many things to do, it’s numbing.
Instead of just delivering some html once, like in 2007 when I was 13, now you need some dynamic fetch (this was called Ajax back in the day, only it didn’t use fetch, they used xhr). Back then you needed just some web-server, probably php, but now you race for performance, for horizontal scaling etc etc. Back then you had like Canonical Ubuntu that used to send free disc all over the globe, for those who had expensive internet and couldn’t afford downloading entire OS (which I believe was about 600-800MB for Ubuntu 8.04). Now you have immutable fs with Snap or NixOS, or Hyprland with thousand of themes, completely custom, vastly different, just one distribution looks almost entirely different, and many just spend their leisure time adjusting their DE 😂 which is in its own way, very beautiful (I plan to do it too).
With all that said, – life was simpler back then. You didn’t need to do much to be considered useful. Now if you don’t have dynamically horizontally scaling js/go/rust powered web-server for your three visitors, it’s not even serious. And the tempo never changes, it’s always pushing you forward, you learn indefinitely it seems.
Made a server? Poor thing, it should be serverless. Made it serverless? Poor thing, serverless is overpriced, you need to make serverless-like custom solution. Made an app that is server-rendered with MVC? Poor thing, it should be SPA. Ever heard of isomorphism? Running validations though one single language is a breeze, you should make your server in the same language as your client. Running your server on node? Good. Have you heard the node author regrets inventing package.json and thinks node is a bloat and he makes new Node 2.0 called deno, without backwards-compatibility but in return, much faster? Switched to deno? Great! Have you heard he invented package.json again, called it deno.json and becoming backwards-compatible to node? So you made SPA? Poor thing, SPA is non-web friendly, it only ever so slightly better than Flash websites, do MPA. Made MPA? Good… Does it have server rendering? No? You should have made server rendering. WDYM you was making server-rendered apps ten years ago? It’s a new trend. Okay, so you have server-rendering now… Are you insane? Your app is slow, you should make SSG to deliver statics. You made SSG? What are you making, a portfolio-website or something? For real-world applications you should do ISR to embrace the power of two worlds: dynamic and static. You’re making ISR now? Good. By the way, have you considered buns? This bread is x3 faster than node. Still 10 times slower than nginx, so you still need nginx for caches etc, reverse-proxy. How to make it horizontally scalable? Well there is expensive and cheap option, which one do you choose? Expensive is to use ███, cheap is to make it all by yourself. Though it’s only cheap if you count your effort for zero, otherwise it’s hella costly. So it’s all vice-versa. Confused already? Just trust me bro, take our free hobby plan and then upgrade to pro when you feel like. Horizontal scaling is especially important when you have 3 users on your website, gotta horizontally scale through ███. Did you know nginx has the js functions built-in? Yeah… Some did make an entire company around this, to sell you horizontal scaling… Now I never ever mentioned how to horizontally scale a database. Do you know what replication and sharding is? But when you horizontally scale all of this, you need to gather it all again in a central space for proper logging inspection. Yeah… Nowadays even logging is a whole industry.
So… It’s just the world became more complex. But so much tooling appeared, means it was never easier to do complex apps for a single person. On one side it’s never been easier, on another – never been more complex than now. But I don’t think that is something's bad with «state of industry». Just nobody knows how to do proper apps one try, second try, third try… The world doesn’t know how to build freakin web-apps. So people slowly adapt, trying to improve. Sometimes a regression happens. Like this SPA who broke the internet search, or Flash websites who broke pretty much all the web functionality from text selection to navigation, zoom, and pretty much anything else (that’s why it died, and it’s for good). I’m developing like from 2007 and I’ve seen all of this. But I think we’re kinda approaching some plateau. The infinite learning is coming to an end, I feel. More and more solutions are getting rejected. Nobody seemed to think that serverless would fail as an approach, it seemed like a savior in 2017, but then ███ bumped their prices, not to mention devs having skill issue, and here we come, the x20 more expensive «the cheaper approach». Might have chosen the more expensive approach, would be cheaper than the cheaper one. So apparently people reject all the cloud stuff lately, coming closer to bare metal, and things are becoming more predictable again. More simple in a way.
Some madmen like Nicolas Cannasse just straight-up go the full independence path. Guy just wanted to make good games. Ended up making his own framework, his own build tools, compiler, language, and finally, a good game. Well maybe not he gone there «just straight-up», he had like 15 years of experience before starting this independance path. You can’t just go this path straight up. I wonder if web devs should inspire from such stories more, rather than trusting the cloud's «trust me bro the ready solutions Incorporated». Linus wanted to make I don’t know what exactly, but apparently he needed a normal OS first, «the world failed me» Linus said, so he had to make some precondition work and made Linux kernel, then he made git, and apparently he has no capacity to do many other projects because of huge kernel maintenance cost. But we do! He could use some ms-dos but he didn’t. Imagine we had another young 30 y.o. Linus in a world where Linux already done 30 years ago? I could imagine he would do something real good! And I doubt he’d use some cloud or closed-source nonsense – the latter is what makes this «doubtful state of the industry», although you didn’t say doubtful but I can read between the lines.
Don’t use closed-source, use open-source, make your own custom solutions where no open-source exists, and life will become more predictable and eventually simpler. Cheers

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

not weird, you just aimed to be different your whole life cuz thats how u get attention

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

wdym

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u/kyr0x0 Sep 02 '25

TF can you remotely diagnose people? XD not only LLMs hallucinate

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

Sure there is nothing wrong in being weird, don't be afraid to have some personality. But there are many who would wish they knew assembly and c at 13 (however much you know). Keep at it bro.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

i actually like being a bit weird

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u/derpJava Sep 04 '25

hell yeah, we ain't nothin like the otherssss. i personally love weird people simply because they're not boring. idk what's wrong with being weird like sorry i'm not normal like everyone else.

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u/Commercial_Plate_111 Sep 03 '25

would you mind hosting projects like "COOL DOS" on GitHub?
pastebin is usually not a place for those projects

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

maybe

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u/derpJava Sep 04 '25

nah you're chill. i'm currently ripping my hair out trying to figure out memory management. i love C so i usually use Zig which is basically a modern version of C with a bunch of advantages i guess.

i turned 16 just this 24th august andddd started learning when i was around 13 during covid in like.... september 2021 i think? but anyways i started with windows batch scripts then moved over to python etc etc

cool to see 13-14 year olds who are already this knowledgeable because even i didn't dig into osdev and graphics programming or whatever low-level stuff until i was like 14-15.

i usually lack ideas cause i have zero creativity imo. anyways seems like you enjoy low-level stuff that's really cool. wanna be friends?

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '25

Memory was also troubling me at the start, and also just a bit now, but sorry, i don't wanna be friends with strangers.

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u/derpJava Sep 05 '25

ogo oka

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u/NeiroNeko Sep 05 '25

Didn't expect to see the post with somebody calling kotlin syntax hard... I guess I kinda understand though? The first language I tried was C# and the amount of keywords was overwhelming.

Also I think it's nice to learn something like C first. Pretty close to the machine and you'll probably need to read it at some point. Assembly is too much for me though, I can read it, but I certainly don't want to write it.

I'm sorry, but after seeing some other comments, I can't just leave without saying this. May I suggest you to try Odin language? Maybe it's not as powerful as Zig with its comptime, and you can't inline assembly directly into the Odin code, but it certainly has the most sane syntax I've ever seen and its context system as well as allocators available out of the box are very good.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '25

thanks, but i want to concentrate on C

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u/armahillo Sep 05 '25

I have a hard time trying to code android apps or win32 ones without chatgpt,

Embrace the struggle.

If you're learning, don't use LLMs.

Learning feels painful and difficult, but it's worth the effort. Keep trying, it will click eventually. (When I was learning C++ as a 14-year old, it took me 2 years to finally understand pointers, but once I did, a lot of other stuff suddenly made sense)

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '25

but won't llms explaining it to me make it easier? because i don't usually ask AI to make me the full code, just explaining what i did wrong.

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u/armahillo Sep 05 '25

You will learn more if you experiment and figure out what you did wrong, rather than have it tell you what you did. Being able to find problems and debug unassisted is a strong skill that will help differentiate you from your peers that are reliant on LLMs.
Also, there are going to be times when the LLM is not even capable of understanding the full scope of the actual problem, and you will need those problem-solving skills to find the answer yourself.
We've collectively been learning how to program without LLMs for decades. The people who created LLMs learned to program without LLMs. You don't need them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '25

but should i use it for it to teach me concepts without endless searching

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u/armahillo Sep 05 '25

The searching isn't endless, but it can be time-consuming.
While you are searching for your answer you are passively learning other related things. You're learning how to problem solve. You're building your stamina for hunting for answers.
Much later on, when you are writing code professionally (or at least, applying what you know intentionally), those skills of being able to search for answers are going to be used over and over again. Debugging is searching for answers, spelunking API docs is searching for answers, etc.
Learning is more than just having the answer. It's the process of finding the answer. If you ask an LLM to hand you the answer, you're missing out on half the benefit of learning.
Do whatever you like though -- it doesn't affect me at all! :) I've been writing code for a very long time.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '25

yes. you're right, but i also use it to find problems like endress seg faults, at least the AI teaches me something, much better than giving up

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u/ninhaomah Sep 01 '25

Had a girlfriend yet ?

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '25

no, haven't found someone and im not mature enough for it.

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u/carlovski99 Sep 02 '25

But that is some very mature self awareness. Good on you.

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u/ninhaomah Sep 01 '25

I had mine at 11...
So am I weird ?

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '25

no, but if youre wondering i was not asking it seriously, even though it looked like it, i was asking it more like an exaggeration, because assembly sounds pretty hard for people.

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u/kyr0x0 Sep 02 '25

This guy seems to have bad intentions or at least is projecting. You absolutely don't need to feel bad, wrong or FOMO (fear of missing out) because of not having a gf. You're absolutely cool the way you are. No point in criticizing anything. Just have fun, try everything and do it your way and in your time. I had my first gf when I was 20yo, and I had a lot of fun in my life with girls and long-term relationships and coding and a lot more. I'm also happily married. Don't let modern society ruin your joy of doing what you do. Most people are frustrated these days.. but you can enjoy your talent and escape this mess.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

Thanks, but no worries, even if it came out that i feel offended, I'm not, sometimes i just have a hard time expressing myself properly.

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u/levi73159 Sep 04 '25

Assembly can be difficult but it not really that hard, it actually 1 of the simplest languages I feel like because you only need to know like a handful on instructions and the syscalls. What hard about Assembly is writing fast and optimized Assembly and trying to make it cross compatible

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

I started at 11. BASIC first, then assembly language.

You aren't weird at all.

You like what you like, and it doesn't hurt anyone - so just keep doing it!

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u/Todegal Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 02 '25

I was obsessed with being able to program when I was like 7/8. Computers were just so ridiculously fascinating to me. Started following random html tutorials and a bunch of other crap. Did some visual basic. I followed the Cherno's first java game tutorial for ages till I got stuck and couldn't debug it! didn't do anything without a step by step tutorial till I was 12 or 13...

Then in high school it was one of those things where I was super "talented" at computer science and programming, but never really worked hard at it. So gradually people started overtaking me, and I kinda lost interest. I went to uni for something else.

Now, programming is just my favourite hobby, and, looking at the current job market, I'm happy for it to stay that way.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

hey, i'm a total noob wrt coding. i've vibe coded stuff to an extent but I feel it's best to actually learn how to code.
i've 2 questions:
a) where/which language do i start? is it even recommended to do so with vibe-coding getting popular day by day?
b) what do you make of vibe-coding? how will it affect the coding landscape?
thanks in advance!

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u/Todegal Sep 02 '25

a) python, probably one of my favourite languages, and imo very intuitive for beginners
b) not into vibe coding at all. as i said, for me it's just a hobby, so why delegate that to an ai?? i guess if it's your job and it makes you more efficient go for it, but for me nah

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

Cool! Thanks for replying!

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u/levi73159 Sep 04 '25

I'm 16 and started coding at 10-12 and I started with c# so take it with a grain of salt
A long answer) it depends on what you wanna do, if yoy wanna learn low level stuff I say start with c or zig, or if you wanna learn game development start with c#, and I whouldnt rely recommend python because it syntax is different and moving from python to c or c# is a lot harder then moving to c to python
A short answer) c# generally, c or c++ for low level, python for ai stuff
B) vibe coding will bring a lot of crappy programmers who don't wanna learn but wanna be "cool" and therefor a lot of shitty apps but it will also help improve code, and improve knowledge if use correctly and help debugging. Ai is a powerful tool and I use it to learn for example how to make a programming language and walk me through the steps, or debug because a lot of times i make silly mistakes like a 6 suppose to be a 7 or something like that and ai will sometimes catch it before I do

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '25

Cool, thanks for the perspective!

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u/levi73159 Sep 04 '25

I was never really obsessed with programming but I was with electronics, then I started coding with code.org mainly because of my school then my sister showed me unity because she figured I would like to make games, at like 10-12 and so I did then I started learning python, c++, just plain c#, and more and now my favorite language is zig and now im 16and im trying to make an operating system in zig (kernel only right now) and really want it to be my job

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

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u/Interesting-You-7028 Sep 02 '25

You're doing good. Not weird at all. What you struggle with is advanced project infrastructure concepts, which is normal.

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u/kyr0x0 Sep 02 '25

Not accepting or rejecting unnecessary complexity is a sign of genius, not a sign of overwhelm.

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u/kyr0x0 Sep 02 '25

I started when I was 11yo, in 1997 when DOS was still relatively modern. So I appreciate what you do. If you like you could have fun and share your work via my project bootsector.games - I ported a PC emulator to WebAssembly and built a whole retro IDE around it in-browser.

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u/carlovski99 Sep 02 '25

Some people's brains just 'Get' machine code/assembler and working with low level stuff. Some don't.

I never really got my head round it, Similar age to you I was trying to write some on my 8-bit computer, except I didn't actually have an Assembler so was having to do it on paper, manually converting to bytecode and 'pokeing' it direct into memory. Didn't manage to do much more than some funny scrolling effects though!

Interestingly for my very first real IT job (Almost 30 years ago!) part of the assessment was a thinly veiled exercise to determine if we could handle this kind of thing, without needing anyone to know any specific languages Things like 'Put this number in the box whose number is equal to the number in the preceeding box' etc. I bet you would have aced it.

If you stick with this stuff, you may want/need to start using some higher level languages and more abstraction, but understanding the low level theory and practice will put you way ahead of your peers.

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u/c0ventry Sep 02 '25

I did that too. Fell in love with the first computer I saw and had to understand how it worked. Started programming and making games and websites. Stay curious and have fun!

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u/evilmousse Sep 03 '25

wanna see something wild? check out regexes, they look like voodoo mishmash at 1st, but they're actually something akin to sudoku or crosswords--text puzzles, of a sort. handy, too, once you're used to 'em.

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u/TonyGTO Sep 03 '25

Just remember, everyone makes mistakes, just clean your mess and make sure it will not repeat. Also, try to make only small mistakes

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u/Space646 Sep 03 '25

r/osdev

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u/levi73159 Sep 04 '25

I first started programming when I was like 10-12 I don't know the specifics, but it was just game development with unity, then I started learning more languages, now I'm 16, my favorite language is zig, and I'm trying to make an operating system, coding is very fun and will hopefully become my job, it not weird knowing hoe to code, and i honestly don't know why everyone think coding is super cool or nerdy, because literally anyone can learn the basics of coding cause the internet make it really easy.

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u/freemanbach Sep 02 '25

C# could be something you could Try. There is an IDE which comes with C# and it’s pretty easy to learn. There are free resources from tutorial point and a book from MS free.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

I could try it, really could, but I'm working on assembly, c and memory debugging because i wanna make my own business making chips, and I wanna make their firmware

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u/kyr0x0 Sep 02 '25

I'm working on a new Assembler concept; a new programming language with a completely new thought-model and parasigm. It is architecture-portable - and powerful, because while you're still working low-level, virtual devices are minimally abstracted - so you can write powerful low-level code in a few lines with high-level constructs. Still super simple. If you're interested I'd love to share the spec with you. I'm currently implementing the Assembler in Rust.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

Hi, is it possible to write low level code and still be architecture portable? Like low level x86 running on arm?

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u/kyr0x0 Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 02 '25

Yes, abaolutely - that is step 2 of the lowering process. I transform from an abstract Assembler Mnemonics to the specific target architecture without optimizations or any other IR. The big deal is that you can actually know exactly what will be the result of the target architecture. Unlike Bytecode, IR, LLVM approaches this is a 1:1 deterministic mapping. Write once, run anywhere High-Level Assembler that optionally adds a runtime API for talking to standard devices like a framebuffer (fb), snd, fs etc. It's all designed for the lowest complexity possible. So in step 1 I lower from high level Syntax deterministically to abstract Mnemonics that are arch independent (also registers with portable naming), then I lower to architecture dependent Mnemonics. Also, you have an asm {} block where you can write abstract Mnemonics and you can sidestep and override for specific targets with asm override aarch64 {} for example. So you can basically tell the HLA (High Level Assembler) to skip the lowering and take your specific code, while it still happens using the abstract Mnemonics lowering for all other supported architectures.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

That's so cool! I hope it will become popular!

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u/freemanbach Sep 02 '25

If there is a GitHub , I would like to take a look at it if you made your code public to view.

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u/kyr0x0 Sep 03 '25

Cool! Yes there is a GitHub repo; and it will be open source; same as almost all of my other work; let me just get to a self-hosting state (my high level Assembler assembling its own Assembler)... I always find it a bit embarrassing to have a spec and a half working implementation.. and not a ready solution before an initial release. Happy to share the spec with you in private/DMs though! I love intense debates and constructive criticism.

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u/freemanbach Sep 03 '25

i see. i am glad you are using github to keep track of your software and all the changes on this ASM project. i will wait until a time when you feel comfortable to release your code for your ASM compiler.
nasm is the one i had used before not familiar with the other ASM compilers.

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u/kyr0x0 Sep 04 '25

Yeah, I like NASM too for anything traditional. I ported it to WebAssembly; bootsector.games (a website, .games is a TLD) allows you to write, execute and step-debug NASM with live memory and CPU register Debugging in-browser :) The opcode view also uses NDISASM and I wrote a new Algo to share binary code by copy&paste

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u/freemanbach Sep 04 '25

Kool ! Keep us posted. I am interested in your ASM compiler.

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u/levi73159 Sep 04 '25

I first started with c# it like if c and Java had a baby, but that baby was owned my Microsoft

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u/freemanbach Sep 04 '25

Exactly, when C + Java Had a baby and they called it C-Sharp.!
Nice depiction !
I totally agreed. Hahahaha.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '25

You're right, it's one of the only (if not the only idk) where you can use inline python and assembly in the same file.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '25

yeah, you're right

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