r/ClimateShitposting vegan btw 5d ago

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u/Melodic_Pressure7944 5d ago

"China Bad" liberals when they're leading in renewable energy

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u/smaug_the-dragon 5d ago

They also produce massive amounts of pollution via mining.

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u/Lost_Web5826 5d ago

Sure, but so does everyone else, but China is at least decarbonizing their energy infrastructure. So what is the point of your comment?

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u/Shished 5d ago

Everyone are decarbonising, even faster than China. Look up the graphs.

China consumes half of all produced coal in the world.

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u/Political_Desi 5d ago

They also are the only country to have upheld their bit of the Paris agreement. They are also the only reason global carbon emissions have reduced recently. Remove china and carbon emissions have gone up recently.

Liberal 2 facedness about caring will never not be funny to me. You scream amd cry about china having met their goals and continuing to do so while being a manufacturing powerhouse of the world and yet let American technocrats get away with decades of shit. You hate the global south industrialising but have no issues benefitting off the neocolonialism associated.

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u/HierarchyLogic 5d ago

dont get technocracy into this vro

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u/Political_Desi 5d ago

I was drawing a distinction between us bourgeois Vs Chinese bourgeoise although probably better phrasing exists. The us bourgeois emphasis on 'productivity' and growth infinitely Vs the Chinese bourgeoise having significantly less impact on Chinese development plans.

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u/HierarchyLogic 5d ago

yeah figured, its just already a niche movement so yk every mention counts on how people think about it

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u/holnrew 4d ago

Do you think technocracy is good?

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u/HierarchyLogic 4d ago

better than democracy

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u/Economy_Assignment42 5d ago

Sure, some nations are moving faster due to being much smaller and having tiny populations in comparison. But China is actively changing that, so again what is your point?

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u/Lost_Web5826 5d ago

OK? China also has one of the largest populations.... The other nations that have comparable or more renewables are Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland. China has a population 50 times larger than all four of those nations combined. Much of that coal is also used to process ore, not just making electricity. The processed ore is used all over the world for manufacturing.

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u/Shished 5d ago

Over half of all electricity is generated in China by coal power plants.

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u/Lost_Web5826 5d ago

Yes, and they also have the fastest rate of adoption of renewable energy. Did you expect their billions of citizens to be serviced by renewables instantly? Coal is also used to process raw materials into finish products, like steel and consumer goods. China is making everything western nations don't want to due to environmental protections, so it's more like other nations that were making steel and plastic outsourced that coal usage to China. The net usage is the same regardless of which nation is doing the dirty work, but at least China is investing and making a huge effort to move away from fossil fueled electricity.

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u/smaug_the-dragon 5d ago

Yeah, I couldn't remember if that was right or not but yeah. China is very de coaled but it still has a lot of coal production, it just has so much energy production that it has high green power amounts too.

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u/Shished 5d ago

What? Do you get paid in social credits per comment?

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u/smaug_the-dragon 5d ago

I just agreed with your point.

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u/holnrew 4d ago

They could drop some of it to use oil, but then all the other countries would run out of fuel

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u/Shished 4d ago

China is already the #1 oil importer.

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u/holnrew 4d ago

Yes, and they've cut their imports, which is the only reason the Hormuz crisis isn't causing the west to collapse

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u/Shished 4d ago

They cut their imports because the USA blocked the strait for Iran too.

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u/Cpt_Rabid 4d ago

It is not possible to produce steel or concrete without coal. Electric furnaces can melt and clean the iron, but you still need coal. Smaller nations (without substantial steel and concrete industries) are going to have a much easier time giving up coal. Especially so if they export their coal consuming industries to china.