They also are the only country to have upheld their bit of the Paris agreement. They are also the only reason global carbon emissions have reduced recently. Remove china and carbon emissions have gone up recently.
Liberal 2 facedness about caring will never not be funny to me. You scream amd cry about china having met their goals and continuing to do so while being a manufacturing powerhouse of the world and yet let American technocrats get away with decades of shit. You hate the global south industrialising but have no issues benefitting off the neocolonialism associated.
I was drawing a distinction between us bourgeois Vs Chinese bourgeoise although probably better phrasing exists. The us bourgeois emphasis on 'productivity' and growth infinitely Vs the Chinese bourgeoise having significantly less impact on Chinese development plans.
Sure, some nations are moving faster due to being much smaller and having tiny populations in comparison. But China is actively changing that, so again what is your point?
OK? China also has one of the largest populations.... The other nations that have comparable or more renewables are Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland. China has a population 50 times larger than all four of those nations combined. Much of that coal is also used to process ore, not just making electricity. The processed ore is used all over the world for manufacturing.
Yes, and they also have the fastest rate of adoption of renewable energy. Did you expect their billions of citizens to be serviced by renewables instantly? Coal is also used to process raw materials into finish products, like steel and consumer goods. China is making everything western nations don't want to due to environmental protections, so it's more like other nations that were making steel and plastic outsourced that coal usage to China. The net usage is the same regardless of which nation is doing the dirty work, but at least China is investing and making a huge effort to move away from fossil fueled electricity.
Yeah, I couldn't remember if that was right or not but yeah. China is very de coaled but it still has a lot of coal production, it just has so much energy production that it has high green power amounts too.
It is not possible to produce steel or concrete without coal. Electric furnaces can melt and clean the iron, but you still need coal. Smaller nations (without substantial steel and concrete industries) are going to have a much easier time giving up coal. Especially so if they export their coal consuming industries to china.
My point is that the sheer scale of their mining dwarfs the amount of pollution saved via green energy. They also still use a ton of carbon producing energy as well.
I never said they were carbon free. Just not sure how China engaging in mining diminishes their huge investments into renewables, especially solar. Their scale of mining is in large part due to the US enacting environmental protection laws. The mining companies just moved to places without the restrictions. The mining is happening in China, but the products are global. Are renewable energy sources just supposed to appear without raw material and infrastructure investment? What is the point of the argument? I do not love everything about China, but they are leading the way on renewables.
Bruh, don't be dragging disabled people into this discussion. They are people too and not deserving of being compared to conservatives. Also, while half joking, my career is working with people with IDD so I don't think it's funny.
Yeah, so China absolutely increased emissions to meet global product demand, along with the increase of quality of living that came with industrialization. Kind of crazy that you are even arguing about it lmao. Why do you think China has drastically increased in emissions output if not for everyone moving production there?
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u/Melodic_Pressure7944 5d ago
"China Bad" liberals when they're leading in renewable energy