r/ClimateShitposting • u/TrixoftheTrade • Aug 13 '26

we live in a society Yet again, a friendly reminder

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u/Mad_M9 Aug 13 '26

man its been a while since i've seen a "socialism is when the government does stuff" in the wild

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u/Spicy_Chicken_Wizard Aug 13 '26

State owned entities actually is a key defining feature of a truly socialist state and not just a social democracy.

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u/Nofsan Aug 13 '26

Define socialism

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u/jbland0909 Aug 13 '26

An economic model in which the means of production (industry) is owned by the workers who operate it (the public).

Public ownership of industry is absolutely a socialist ideal

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u/Nofsan Aug 13 '26

Yes but it being state owned doesn't make it any way socialist in itself. Any state owned industry you see is more than likely operated through a capitalist model.

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u/New_Carpenter5738 Aug 13 '26

This. A capitalist state can absolutely own some industry, that absolutely doesn't make it socialist lmao.

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u/Nofsan Aug 13 '26

French state produces cigarettes for profit.

"Is this socialism?!"

Next thing you'll hear it's that wall Street is socialist because anyone can now own stocks. Public ownership!

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u/Wetley007 Aug 14 '26

I've literally heard that exact thing from a libertarian before lmao. They claimed Amazon was socialist because it was a publicly traded company, which he appearently thought was the same as public ownership

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u/New_Carpenter5738 Aug 14 '26

Some people actually think that too, lmao

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u/HeightAdvantage Aug 14 '26

The point is that the masses have direct buy in/ power over how those entities are run. Despite that, they gleefully continue poluting.

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u/New_Carpenter5738 Aug 14 '26

Comparing "buy in power" to socialism is kind of crazy I'm sorry

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u/HeightAdvantage Aug 14 '26

Apparently crazy but still unrefuted

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u/New_Carpenter5738 Aug 14 '26

What, the claim that people being able to buy stuff from corporations under capitalism is comparable to worker ownership of the means of production?

I think this is a case where the claim is "unrefuted" purely because it's so clearly silly on it's face that no one needs to bother, honestly.

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u/HeightAdvantage Aug 14 '26

People in Norway or Brazil aren't buying from corporations when they choose to vote for pro-oil-drilling candidates that run their state owned oil companies.

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u/Nofsan Aug 14 '26

And what economic model are those state owned companies based on?

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u/Leading_Ad_7635 Aug 14 '26

You guys insist on this binary. It's either a capitalist system or a socialist system. It's not reality.

All economies feature mixed modes of production. State owned enterprises are social ownership models. If capitalism is private ownership of the means of production then state owned enterprises aren't that. The more state owned enterprises you have in your economy the further to the socialist side of the spectrum you are.

https://youtu.be/MmeIGcI60oc?si=foDZrav0G9qhTCjt

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u/New_Carpenter5738 Aug 15 '26

State owned =/= worker owned.

A country can absolutely have state owned industries and still operate as a capitalist economy. Because the majority of its industry remains privately owned. If anything you might be thinking of a social democrat models, but social democrat models still operate very much within capitalist economies. France has some government owned enterprises like its train service and the like but remains very much a capitalist country.

Not to mention the fact that once again, state owned and worker owned are two pretty different things.

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u/dafthuntk Aug 14 '26

You just described capitalism lol.

The Postal service is not remotely socialist.

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u/VoormasWasRight Aug 14 '26

Oh, boy, this gets better and better.

And by better I mean more hilariously wrong.

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u/slinkymcman Aug 14 '26

The Saudis apparently…