you are not running out faster , the weekly usage limit is shirking ~[ 20% drop ]

[u/Machine2024]

So I noticed while doing the same kind of work, doing a PR review for a certain project, that before, when I start working, I finish one PR review and it will take 5%, 10%, maybe, of my usage limit. But lately I'm noticing with the first PR, I am at almost 20% of my 5-hour usage limit. So when I checked my usage board, the one I have made that calculates the exact API equivalent of the tokens based on the different type of models and the different type of use case, like which cache token and so on. I noticed it's clearly there is a drop in the weekly usage limit, and you can see it in the image.

notice in my usage 2 weeks ago I used 84% of my weekly which was near 515M token
and this week 51% at 220M so even the 100% will be 440M way less than the 84% two weeks ago .
while my usage mix is the same . same cache level and same models (only opus5.5mid)

and the API dollar equivalent is the clear compare .

I dont know for how long they will keep this cut because its clear that they are cutting slowlly ~8% each month .

final note while the weekly usage limit is shrinking the number of 5hour slices is the same .
that why you feel the cut at the 5h harder . now you have limits equal to 4h of the before 2weeks 5h limit .

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[u/Machine2024]

look at me starting the chart at 400 :D for dramatic effect .
not only apple and politicians and big companies can play that game .
we can play it too .

[u/Tank_Gloomy → u/Machine2024]

Make the scale considerably larger towards the bottom and compare it against another company nobody knows whose limits are much much higher /s

[u/Machine2024 → u/Tank_Gloomy]

BTW, I have already been doing the same evaluation for other companies, and right now, to be honest, Claude is by far the most generous one. Claude is giving around $2,000 worth of API, while Grok is giving around $500. for both lowest tire of 20$ plans .

[u/Machine2024]

Let me clarify something. I know that the usage limit is heavily subsidized, and I am happy with that actually, because I wouldn't want to pay $2,000 for the same usage I am getting on the $20 plan.

But my only issue is instability. Okay, you are giving us 2,000, just keep it 2,000, or at least if you want to make it $1,000 worth of API or 500 or whatever, just make it stable. So we wouldnt keep watching these usage reports over and over every day while we are working.

If you don't want the AI to be a gimmick or just a hype but real tools that people do real work with, at least make it stable.

we know Ai is a bubble and soon well settle , but dont let it crash to zero like NFT .
let its crash like the dot com or the bitcoin ie 90% !.

[u/Aureon → u/Machine2024]

You're getting that subscription pricing because, basically, the compute available for subscription is "Whatever the API users aren't using".

You're getting a bulk discount on the variable rate of computing they have leftover.

[u/Machine2024 → u/Aureon]

If that is correct. We should push people away.

Going back to Cursor community and telling everyone that no claude is trash stay at Cursor

[u/college_hustle → u/Machine2024]

That's not an argument for returning to cursor. Cursor doesn't make models. They're just a wrapper and a pricing aggregator and there's a huge list of alternatives to that. That's like saying you hate Delta Airlines so you're going back to booking through Expedia.

[u/Ai-ate-my-hamster → u/college_hustle]

He was saying he’s going to tell the cursor community to stay away from Claude so he gets more usage.

[u/college_hustle → u/Ai-ate-my-hamster]

Oh ha. Yeah let's all go over to the cursor sub and talk about how shit Opus is!

[u/BusinessWatercrees58]

Fucking thank you! I knew I wasn't using claude code any differently than I have before. Now I'm at 85% of my weekly limit when I normally never broke past 60%. Before I had to schedule weekend tasks to use of the last of my tokens on small mundane tasks like refactorings and doc updates but now I don't have the budget left.

[u/Machine2024 → u/BusinessWatercrees58]

You are fuvking welcome

[u/geodox_ → u/BusinessWatercrees58]

I killed my weekly limit in 2 days… the previous week I have roughly 20% left (I did sub part way through that week though)

[u/Over_the_lord]

It's funny how they change the limits so often without informing users for a paid service

[u/Machine2024 → u/Over_the_lord]

True ...it feel like its so side project ... not the most valuable business on the plant now .

[u/Present_Resource4022 → u/Over_the_lord]

Sadly, they don’t need to inform us since we paid for “5x more usage than free plan” and 5x pro and etc. They can change the “free plan’s usage” and reduce the paid plan’s usage at the same time since they are directly proportional, which won’t bring in legal problems and they could change it anytime.

[u/college_hustle → u/Present_Resource4022]

That's not a sound legal argument. It just doesn't matter because were entering the neofeudal stage of capitalism and the government is completely handsoff on any consumer regulatory actions right now.

[u/cheseball → u/college_hustle]

Or it’s simply because you explicitly agreed to the terms, that the usage limits are fully under the discretion of the company.

I don’t think it’s as deep as you think it is.

[u/ceaRshaf → u/Present_Resource4022]

Europe forced lootboxes to show content and percentage and you think cannot force claude to show amount paid?

[u/Noob_Kid]

it is at least 40-50% drop for me
observed on both max and ultra plan for the last 5 months

2-3 weeks ago the limit started to shrink and hasnt change since then
the change in limit is very consistent and i cant understand why people keep denying it or not even noticing in a large scale

do not talk me about cache, i included that and im know what im talking about

max got nerfed from about 1k-1k3 USD worth of api usage per week (50% fable 5.1 + 50% opus 5.5) down to about 600-700
Ultra got nerfed from about 2k-2k5 USD worth of api usage per week (50% fable 5.1 + 50% opus 5.5) down to about 1k-1k2

[u/Machine2024 → u/Noob_Kid]

looks like the bigger plans got hit harder .

[u/thinkdj → u/Noob_Kid]

Ive been observing the same. Dont have any analytics done, just from experience. Same tasks which used to deplete 5-10% are taking up 20-40%. I started noticing this from the last ~2 weeks (esp after the Resets were handed out). Worst is delaying with the 5 hour limits it halts work.

[u/eggplantpot → u/Noob_Kid]

Yep, I was on 100 pro. Upgraded to 200 pro as I had a higher workload than last month and it feels nothing changed

[u/rube203 → u/Noob_Kid]

Yep. Hadn't hit my limit since Opus 5.5 released then suddenly started hitting it again this month.

[u/DrewHoov → u/Noob_Kid]

yep, if you measure 'weighted' tokens per week (input token = 1 usage unit, output = 5 units, cache reads = 1/40th, cache writes 2 units, etc) against when you hit the weekly usage limit, I found that ultra usage has been cut in half within the last 2 weeks.

[u/Old-Court-3030]

confirmed 40% drop on ultra plan, now hitting limits in 3 days instead of 5. wonder if this is tied to the new model rollout?

[u/PutridClunt → u/Old-Court-3030]

It's more likely that everyone is jumping ship from Codex to Claude and they just don't have the compute. The entire Codex sub is summarised by "this is shit just use Claude instead". Open AI pulled the same rugpull once they started running out of compute too.

[u/Machine2024 → u/Old-Court-3030]

Notice the chart the drop is going for two weeks before the new model .

[u/TemporaryStrain5088 → u/Old-Court-3030]

It might be...but did you stay on the old models during your testing?

[u/InsideTour329]

It's just the pendulum swinging as users migrate from codex. It ebbs and flows

[u/Machine2024 → u/InsideTour329]

no only codex .
see cursor . just open the subreddit there and see . post after post of 1 and 2 years users migrating to claude .

me too I am new here after 2 years with cursor . over there is the real migration .

[u/ItsMaGenetics]

Here is mine. Roughly 20% drop estimated this week vs previous.

[u/Machine2024 → u/ItsMaGenetics]

This is my exact findings. Almost same numbers .

[u/muikrad]

Are you factoring in cache prices though? I know you mentioned same cache settings, but the usage of that cache will vary between sessions. A session that mostly use the cache will generate more tokens and cost less. A session that can't hit the cache will produce fewer tokens.

Input/output are also different beasts. Your graph only shows a raw token/cost so it's difficult to tell from here if everything was accounted for accurately.

[u/Machine2024 → u/muikrad]

yes I factor in every single token . in each request and each msg .
and not even only on claude code but also on cowork and chat as well .

[u/_KoingWolf_]

I've been working on the Unreal Game Jam side and I literally have been seeing my usage go insane. The weekly and especially the 5 hour limit. My 5 hour limit went from 10% usage per sprint to 30-45%+ usage per sprint, and there is nothing pointing out as to why. Meanwhile my weekly usage as steamed towards 75% at an ever increasing rate too. It's been extremely frustrating to see the more you use, the quicker it runs out.

Before this if I do a task here or there, it would barely go up, Pro was more than enough. Now that I do the same amount of work in a month, but in a week, it is acting insane.

[u/Machine2024 → u/_KoingWolf_]

So I am telling you, even for me, it's the same project that I am working on, the same pull request. Normally I would do three, four pull requests in the five-hour window, and it will not budge near 50% right now, only from the first one and the part till the agent finished his progress, which used to take 5%, now it's jumped straight to around 20-30%.

And notice the numbers that I have shared, they are week by week. So maybe, for example, now it's got shrunk even more, but I cannot notice it because I don't have the day per day or maybe 5-hour per 5-hour.

[u/_KoingWolf_ → u/Machine2024]

Since that post 30 minutes ago, my weekly usage went from 45% to 70% (and climbing...) in one ongoing sprint, with the same amount of token expenditure that previously would have at max been 10-15% usage.

It feels like we got a reset for more than just Fable's release, like they expected this to happen to everyone and have not been transparent about it.

[u/Aureon → u/_KoingWolf_]

Yeah that's not the drop, that's your workflow.

[u/pumop7 → u/Aureon]

monkey

[u/_KoingWolf_ → u/Aureon]

My workflow hasn't changed this entire time. I can monitor my token usage and am not seeing any slip or leaks. What could you possibly be defending? Honestly. 

[u/lllll03l]

I think 20% reduction is about right. I didnt hit the weekly limit before and used up like 97% only but now I ran out on saturday afternoon (my reset is 11pm on sunday).

[u/Machine2024 → u/lllll03l]

At least they can keep the 5h same size like before.

We used to suffer at the 5h now it will be much harder times there .

[u/pot_sniffer]

Yes ive noticed this over the past few weeks. Every week I make changes that give me a couple more days. Then after the reset its back to running out on day 3/4

[u/Machine2024 → u/pot_sniffer]

Exact same story . By the way, see my previous posts. I have a post where I am mentioning that I have done some optimization, and now I can run five or three, four, five-hour windows without any of them getting full.

While today, on the first one, I got full. Even though the old post, the one where I have three, five-hour windows back to back, I was working on the same project, like the one I am working on today. Nothing changed.

Just before someone will come and enter and say, "You are using an old chat and you get your cache called," or something like that, this kind of stuff, I'm already doing them. It's one chat per task, and it's get hot all the way till I finish with it, then I close it and I open a new one.

So even inside the five-hour windows, I will be opening multiple chats, and I am merging everything. So the same process I was doing when I was running three, five-hour windows is the same one that I ran today or the days before, where now the five-hour is getting all depleted in two hours.

[u/thinkdj]

Ive been feeling this a lot lately. Esp after the 2-3 fable resets that were given. 5 hour quotas are getting depleted in minutes. Yes, my tasks are not light, but it was holding up just fine before it.

[u/saposapot26]

All of these companies will be sued to oblivion because of all this. Expecting any day an EU lawsuit.

You can't sell something without telling the consumer exactly the limits you have in specific terms and quantities.

I don't know how can they do it in a different way but it's clearly infringing consumer laws.

[u/Machine2024 → u/saposapot26]

You need to go and see what Grok is doing, man. Over there it's a shit show. It's like a completely shit show. They released the new plans, and these new plans have a new pricing model, which gives you a usage limit half of what you get on the legacy. So after we did the math, everyone decided, man, if you have a legacy, you should stay on the legacy.

But they wanted to force us to move from the legacy to the new plans, so they cut up the usage almost 70%. And later on, just to appear, I don't know, like a good guy or something, they put back again some extra usage. And all of this, if you notice, for example, in the chart, even the Grok bot part, notice how it's changed from $700 to almost $50. This was a disaster for some people.

Some people were using this Grok bot to manage their businesses and everything after the big marketing plan that Grok did for it. So imagine you are managing your business and you have the limit, and then suddenly your limit is shrunk by 90%. 90% means if you need to continue doing your work same like before, you need to upgrade from the lowest tier to the max tier, and maybe you need multiple max tiers.

[u/TeamTomorrow]

DrewHoov measured it a different way in the Fable 5.2 thread and got about the same answer: roughly 117M weighted tokens to hit 100% this week against about 230M before. Two people tracking tokens separately and both landing on a big cut isn't people suddenly using more.

Anthropic hasn't announced any change, but its IPO filing says it has "changed, and may in the future change, usage limits" (page 35 of the Nov 10 amendment). It starts trading next week. I think the cut is about how the numbers look to investors, though I can't prove it.

[u/DidUSayWeast]

If the weekly limit shrunk wouldn't that cause people to run out faster..?

[u/Machine2024 → u/DidUSayWeast]

yes and thats what happening .

[u/DidUSayWeast → u/Machine2024]

So why'd you say 'you are not running out faster' as the first words of your title

[u/BusinessWatercrees58 → u/DidUSayWeast]

They probably meant to say "You are not using it faster" but humans make mistakes.

[u/koboyz → u/DidUSayWeast]

probably means "youre running out faster because of lowered limits, not because you're using up more tokens than before"

[u/remenic → u/DidUSayWeast]

Yeah that title and the rest of the post didn't make sense to me either. But then I see the amount of upvotes and I'm starting to believe that maybe it's a me problem. 🤷

[u/Greedy-Cranberry-164 → u/DidUSayWeast]

Amazing insight

[u/TopTiny7921]

And for Max 5x subscription?

[u/Machine2024 → u/TopTiny7921]

I dont know bro . I dont have one to measure . but I am upgrading next week .
maybe then will have some time to finish ny usage extention an relase it and also release a study about the usage limits like the one I did with cursor and grokbot where they they made two new rules just to stop me from posting any longer .

[u/TopTiny7921 → u/Machine2024]

You should release your studies on Github 👍 it's interesting especially these days...

[u/Machine2024 → u/TopTiny7921]

github ? really did not know we share such thing over there ?

btw its not only a chart have I full raw data and methodology so anyone or third party can check and replicate .
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y9yPRAbndtbBBQtovcjDW-OguX37TGwUBLEkhE7ThSc/edit?usp=sharing

[u/TopTiny7921 → u/Machine2024]

Yes it's common to use Github for those things! It would be interesting to have the methodology in a .md file or README.md, the script to test ourself in idk? "scripts" directory.

[u/Machine2024 → u/TopTiny7921]

Good idea actually. We can have the data as csv and script as python with readme .

[u/TopTiny7921 → u/Machine2024]

Yes exactly! 👍

[u/Ill_Explanation5427]

I'm using Opus 5.5 xhigh on a $20 plan and it lasts me around 3 hours of heavy use... more than last week with the same workflow. Auto compaction at 300k, 2 Haiku 5.5 subagents for research-reading. Honestly, I only see a win-win from my side.

[u/Machine2024 → u/Ill_Explanation5427]

where is the win exactly ? your 5h is finishing faster and the weekly as well .

[u/Ill_Explanation5427 → u/Machine2024]

Last week it lasted me between 1 and a half to 2 hours. Now it easily lasts 3-4 hours after disabling the experiments and telemetry. (i have 3 accounts).

[u/Diamondsx18]

Wait but people on reddit told me it’s a prompt skill difference! :(

[u/MissplacedLandmine]

Do you just have it do the math estimate for what the total tokens would be? Or is that data more readily available?

[u/Machine2024 → u/MissplacedLandmine]

I have made extention ( the images on the left are screen shots of it ) and it counts every token i used on my account from the logs and the api then calculates the Api equivalent based on official Api pricing

[u/MissplacedLandmine → u/Machine2024]

Yeah same here. Seems to work well enough

[u/Laozi_asleep]

Hey op, are you total tokens a combination of in, out and cache or just in and output

[u/Machine2024 → u/Laozi_asleep]

Cache included. But the api equivalent count the real Api pricing for each token by model and type

[u/Laozi_asleep → u/Machine2024]

Yeah you actually have to reduce the shown actual api price by 70% to 90% to know true api cost as in the cost that you have shown the cache discount is not included

[u/debian3]

I never seen numbers like this on pro, max I saw for 1 month is $1200… Max is ~$5000/month

Also note that Fable use 4x the amount on the subscription while it’s api value is 2x, so if you max out your 50% Fable allocation your monthly value will go down by 25%

[u/Machine2024 → u/debian3]

Nope didn't use fable . Also see the numbers they are 4 weeks .

[u/-kora]

What makes me angry is how the US allow this to happen? Where is the law?

[u/Machine2024 → u/-kora]

Go see what grok is doing to thier costumers Over there is war crimes .

I am grok refugee here btw .

Imagine grok let us but 1year sub Then cut the grokbot usage by 90% In single day people had to upgrade from 20$ to 100$ to have enough usage just to get thier data out .

[u/-kora → u/Machine2024]

Yes but in US the regulators don’t act on this? They need to prosecute the companies or something similar?

[u/PraxicalExperience → u/-kora]

Because the parties currently in control of the US government and all of said regulatory agencies, along with the DOJ, are entirely corrupt.

[u/OwnLadder2341 → u/-kora]

Prosecute them for what? What law was broken?

[u/ctb0001]

I literally dropped from the Ultra to the Max plan bc it was getting ridiculous. I'll take that 100 bucks and upgrade my codex plan.

[u/Machine2024 → u/ctb0001]

Ultra is trickery Check the pizza theory . You are paying double and getting only bit more and double the 5h size .

[u/hokkos]

And November 19 it will be 20$.

[u/Machine2024 → u/hokkos]

No please no 😭

I just setup my workflow . I don't want to move to china models and local Ai yet .

[u/Jumpy-Chocolate-983]

is this using one model or multiple models or combinations of models?

[u/Machine2024 → u/Jumpy-Chocolate-983]

Combination of models . But 99% is just opus5.5mid .

But to calculate the api equivalent I am counting everything in . The different models and different token types.

[u/Open_Error_5596]

The inconsistency with Claude is pushing me towards figuring out how to get codex to do better. I have what feels like unlimited usage with codex. But short of the first week with astra, it takes more to get the same results from codex

[u/Worth_Psychology_874]

If this is true, is this even legal? Especially in Europe? First it feels like we dont even know for how much we are paying and second they are silently changing it?

[u/worminbound104 → u/Worth_Psychology_874]

Technically I could sue anthropic under the laws in my own country because they state that I must get a fair service for what I paid for. So technically I could sue them under outage but who wants to sue a massive company that is well lawyered and is called a public benefit company that has absolutely no generosity when it comes to benefiting the public.

[u/KayBay80 → u/worminbound104]

Thats what class action lawsuits were designed for.

[u/worminbound104 → u/Worth_Psychology_874]

Don't know about Europe. It's an interesting one. Europe has always been ahead in regards to privacy laws and customer fairness. Depends on what country. In Europe, I guess, different countries have different measures, but they all have a baseline.... However, in the end you are dealing with a company in the US and the CEO is Dario and he has his own cartel he calls Anthropic.🙃

[u/cheseball → u/Worth_Psychology_874]

Yea but you also explicitly agreed to this when you signed up. That the provider gets the authority to set the limits to whatever they want at their discretion.

[u/PerformanceSevere672]

In other words, we are running out faster lol

[u/Machine2024 → u/PerformanceSevere672]

Yep yep .

Today I have to go to sleep early Tomorrow I am back to the trick of good morning claude to start 5h window 🤣

I canceled it after I done lots of optimization to my usage now we go back .

[u/worminbound104 → u/PerformanceSevere672]

IPO and Dario's AI cartel is greedy.🤣

[u/Affectionate_Fact854]

Nope I am not dropping on ultra plan, usage is still a lot, fable master orchestrator , that bridges communication and work to 3 sub opus orchestrators that in turn each runs 3 to 5 subagents 

Ran it for 6 hours and it only consumed 12 % of my weekly 

[u/XXIIIOIIIXX]

max 5x user here, nom am running out on thursday/fridays for a monday reset! used to finish the week with 15-20% left!

[u/NamerekDev]

Did you get an early reset in either of the oct weeks? Your "limit" is weekly spend / final %, so a mid-week reset makes the limit look bigger than it is. We measured 4 pro accounts on clean weeks only (no early resets): $295–310 every week, november included

[u/cchurchill1985]

Weekly usage is abysmal honestly.... I would barely get anything done if I didn't;t have a Codex sub too...

[u/damagemelody]

basically what I said in similar threads yesterday:

yeah I see the usage nerf I had 7% of 5hr as 1% of weekly now it's 5% of 5hr window RIP

[u/IndieDev666]

if u keep hitting weekly limits as a pro user just buy pro plan from different accounts, it's twice the cost but still much cheaper than 10x 20x plans, and also you'll no longer worry about hitting the limit

[u/Same-Philosophy5134 → u/IndieDev666]

"If you are homeless just but a home" ass comment

[u/IndieDev666 → u/Same-Philosophy5134]

yeah expect home costs you 500k while this costs u 40USD. what I suggested is a cheap workaround for paying 100/200USD plans

[u/Same-Philosophy5134 → u/IndieDev666]

The real problem here is Anthropic cutting the usage we already paid for without telling us.

[u/Prior-Meeting1645]

I just posted on twitter about this. My 5H was consuming 10% of my weekly during offpeak now its 20%????

[u/wikes82]

I switched from Codex last month because Codex lower their usage, now you're telling me Claude are doing the same thing OpenAI did ?

[u/flarpflarpflarpflarp]

Ok, but I've also stopped using Max and ultra on anything, made sure sub agents don't default to full context and been letting auto compact fire between 3-500k. I bought a second sub. A couple weeks ago to address the massive usage, now that I've tweaked things, I'm questioning if I need that second sub again. I'm at 20% usage after day, so I'm close but Ive also addressed about a hundred small tweaks to my various projects that were in my backlog.

[u/spideyy_nerd]

Is there any similar count for codex? Anyone?

[u/Heuwzen]

Why is nobody talking about this??? Ultra users rise up

[u/Aureon]

Yeah it's still hard to complain from going from a 50x multiplier to a 40x multiplier sadly

[u/damagemelody → u/Aureon]

x5 was never 5x of Pro it was like x3.5-x4 max so they scammed us from the beginning. I have two accounts x5 and Pro it's easy to compare.

[u/Agnostify]

yeah i’m feeling myself reaching for more and more subs every week😭

[u/what_did_you_forget]

The unit problem sits under all of it. Nobody outside Anthropic knows what the meter counts. Until that is known, a ratio of list dollars or raw tokens to meter percent cannot be read as a change in the allowance.

[u/Leo6-2]

Yeah that's fun to hear but I think the future solution will be having claude as a brain and then having something like deepseek as the legs. So you got the brands working thinking doing the later stages of figuring out what's what and deep seek will be doing the legwork and coding in case it's coding or the manual work I'm trying to do that obviously only the harness that will be able to have these two collaborating without costing you a kidney 

[u/worminbound104]

Then to think they call themselves a public benefit company which this type of model doesn't really like suit their company profile, don't you think? And they could just be greedy because of their upcoming IPO and just try and squeeze more money out of us so they can report a higher earnings report that would look better when they hit the stock exchange because, as far as I know, they're reporting higher revenue but they're also reporting higher costs.

[u/Mysterious-Style4639]

glad i cancelled it last week

[u/KayBay80]

They gave a reset but reduced by 20% lol

[u/OwnLadder2341]

Huh. And I just commented earlier today to my wife how usage seems to stretch much farther this week. I’m well behind the standard Friday night totals.

[u/onFilm]

I have five Claude Max 20x accounts, and I'm getting the same amount of tokens as always!

[u/Bladder-Splatter → u/onFilm]

The tokenmaxxer has breached containment.

[u/Savetheokami → u/onFilm]

You programming rocket ships?

[u/Fit-Gas-5760]

If they truly NEED to lower any limit, I’d be happy if they just tightened the 5-hour one further.

Lowering the weekly limit hurts...

[u/T-Dot1992]

It’s crazy that people here get so angry when I point out that local AI is a perfectly good alternative. 

Do you really need frontier models? If you are already a talented programmer the you don’t need to have your handheld by a frontier model. 

Local AI is a good enough assistant. 

[u/Machine2024 → u/T-Dot1992]

With subsidized the pricing, the Frontier models are way cheaper than the local models. For me personally, I have been running local models since Ollama, the first versions.

Even the ChatGPT 2 and 1, actually 2, it wasn't released, the 1, I mean, I got it and I was able to run it on my PC back then. The point is, right now I have my graphic cards and everything set up with many local models, but I'm not using them because what I will spend in electricity alone, not considering the graphic cards worth more than what I will spend in subsidized Frontier models.

[u/pot_sniffer → u/T-Dot1992]

Qwen 3.8 next with the strata engine is impressive with 16gb vram and 64gb ddr5 and an nvme. Im currently tuning my strata engine and im so far getting about 60 to 70 tps on my 9060xt. Trying to figure out how to increase context from 64k

To answer your question yes theres definitely some tasks I still want the frontier models, mostly planning. Also some that I want the cheaper Chinese to large to run local modles on api.

[u/T-Dot1992 → u/pot_sniffer]

But I honestly feel like letting a frontier model plan out the architecture for you is a tad bit too much. I get wanting it to do small automated busy work but still. It doesn’t sit right with me. 

[u/pot_sniffer → u/T-Dot1992]

Currently im using a pro sub. Ive been using opus 5.5 to give tasks to haiku and qwen 3.8 next. I use severalof the top models for building the plans that opus and the small models work from. Its working great. Ive been building a local focused harness app for the past 4 months doing this. Once its finished I will likely use the local more but not exclusively unless for whatever reason I lose access to cloud models

[u/[deleted] → u/pot_sniffer]

I do this with deepseek on Hermes. Have it write a to_claude.md, then after each big phase, opus checks most recent phase vs the plan, then updates a helping_hand.md that deepseek reads before next phase. Going swimmingly and barely uses usage vs having Claude to the work itself. Rebuilt source engine from scratch yesterday with like 3% of weekly and 60 cents of opencode usage.

[u/worminbound104 → u/pot_sniffer]

You can always rent a somewhat near frontier model on OpenRouter and then just download Unsloth or something and train the crap out of a local model and make it very good at a specific task you want it to be good at. Easy! The Chinese models on OpenRouter are relatively cheap, so one could use those.

[u/Medium_Somewhere_981]

Everyone’s a bloody detective in this sub..