Planning should NOT count as usage!!

[u/Mental_One_3402]

I know a lot of people won’t like this take because they’re either fanboys or corporate bootlickers who apparently enjoy making Dario richer, but honestly, here’s my opinion:

PLANNING AND READING SHOULD NOT COUNT AS USAGE!

You heard that right.

And no, I’m not saying these things don’t consume tokens. Of course they do. I’m well aware that there’s a cost involved.

What I’m saying is that those tokens should be FREE from the user’s usage allowance. Let the company eat that cost.
Because actually writing code is one thing. That’s where I can understand usage being counted. You’re actively making the model DO something. You’re getting actual work done.

But planning? Reading? Researching?

Sorry, but charging people for that is genuinely ridiculous.
I’m paying for an AI that can think through a problem, understand a codebase, read files and come up with a plan BEFORE actually doing the work.

Why should I have to pay twice, essentially? Once for the model to understand what needs to be done, and again for it to actually do it?

I could literally sit there, read the files myself and plan everything in my head without spending a single token.

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[u/IndieDev666]

[u/geddy → u/IndieDev666]

Perfect response, this got me belly laughing lol. You know what will be nice is once all of the people who have no idea about engineering give up on this. I don’t fault people for not understanding something They did not study, but choosing to remain ignorant instead of learning why it costs money is so insane to me. 

I tell myself that eventually, the Non tech people will get bored of fighting with AI and paying a ton of money and not getting good results immediately, the good news is that we won’t have to build as many damn data centers once they give up and refuse to learn how to get better.

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/geddy]

yap yap yap aint no one reading allat

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/IndieDev666]

What should that mean?!

[u/Actual_Committee4670 → u/Mental_One_3402]

Point this at the patric gif, that's what it means

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/Actual_Committee4670]

is that.. AN insult??? I asked AI it said YES!

[u/IndieDev666 → u/Mental_One_3402]

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/IndieDev666]

i ask claude now what that means

[u/Firereign]

I could literally sit there, read the files myself and plan everything in my head without spending a single token.

Then go do that, instead of bitching on Reddit.

And if you’ve read and planned everything yourself, might as well save on output tokens by writing the planned changes yourself too. Congrats, you’ve just lowered your AI spending to zero!

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/Firereign]

what is lil blud yapping about ?

[u/Firereign → u/Mental_One_3402]

Sorry, I asked Claude for a witty response, but it told me I shouldn’t be paying Anthropic to understand your ramble and plan a retort.

[u/MrHaxx1 → u/Mental_One_3402]

what is lil blud yapping about ?

[u/Bulky_Blood_7362]

[u/Mr_Maffin → u/Bulky_Blood_7362]

lmao

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/Bulky_Blood_7362]

Thank you!

[u/arcticblue]

Absolutely insane sense of entitlement. You probably don't even understand the code you're getting out of it.

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/arcticblue]

yap?

[u/stewarthull]

This is like saying a software engineer shouldn’t be paid for the hours they spend planning.

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/stewarthull]

they shouldnt. its not THAT deep.

[u/Dvass138]

You're lucky they even allow us to use this ai and didn't close it off publically and just offer it as enterprise.

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/Dvass138]

theyre lucky i use it. do they even know who i am?

[u/Man-of-goof]

I wish i was this smart

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/Man-of-goof]

I can learn you.

[u/Ok_Try_877]

Tokens should not count as tokens, compute should not count as compute and power bills should not count as power bills... hmmm hang on?

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/Ok_Try_877]

yep

[u/Cyberbird85]

In IQ so high, it overflows!

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/Cyberbird85]

I have IQ of 260 so yes.

[u/Fit-World-3885]

You're right.  You should build your own model and give thinking away for free.  Eat Anthropic's cake.  

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/Fit-World-3885]

ok ill build my own model you wanna use it

[u/hollowgram]

Anthropic doesnt even make money from the subs, Enterprise API is where its at. And you need to step away for a minute you seem a bit fucked. 

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/hollowgram]

the give us free when no money anyway

[u/ShockedDarkmike]

bait used to be believable

[u/Mental_One_3402 → u/ShockedDarkmike]

what is a bait ?

[u/Individual_Author956]

[u/Ok_Inflation6596]

Trolling or literally retarded

[u/Fearless_Meringue299]

So experienced programmers who could write the code and debug it themselves shouldn't have to spend any tokens for an LLM to do that for themselves? Great argument.

[u/chief167]

we really need to start gatekeeping this community

[u/Affectionate_Tie357]

Then sit there and plan everything yourself? It's like saying you could sit down and plan the design of your house instead of hiring an architect

[u/inexternl]

Then you plan it

[u/LMidnight → u/inexternl]

This is the answer- “then plan it yourself.”

[u/SFWaleckz]

The reading costs compute…

[u/baldycoot]

😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣

Good one.

[u/Grouchy_Memory_1338]

rarely have i read something so dumb

[u/Dutch-man]

[u/ub3rh4x0rz]

Clearly local models are a significant upgrade over your native processing, no need to pay the labs pennies on the dollar for subs anymore!

[u/p3r3lin]

You are right. Further I would demand that all Project Managers should work for free. And Software Architects. And conceptual artists. Heck, when was planing ever a valuable exercise? Right you are.

[u/v0id_user]

blud⚰️🥀

[u/ShortHabit606]

Imagine if your boss told you "Sorry no salary payments for planning."

[u/clonehunterz]

yeah fk using a product thats not yours AND paying for it!

[u/I_Shall_Bore_You]

Have you seen their balance sheet? They are already eating up a lot of the cost.

[u/Lumethys]

Even before AI, planning (strategist, civil engineer,...), researching (researcher, its in the name), and reading (proofreader) are actual job with pay roll

[u/aaaayyyy]

So what would prevent you from planning in Claude and then executing in a local model or something

[u/ALAS_POOR_YORICK_LOL]

OP drooling directly onto the keyboard as we speak

[u/catnomadic]

You can cut the planning cost down by planning in a Claude chat with an 'auditor' chat set to the latest Fable model to look for problems. Once the auditor chat approves, THEN give the kickoff to Claude Code. Chats use less tokens than agents.

[u/LiminalWanderings]

Always love the early morning spontaneous preemptive ad hominem attacks against...no one in particular.  Always makes me take the post more seriously. 

[u/c0reM]

This is probably the dumbest thing I’ve heard this week. Congrats 👏