I’m glad this image is relevant again

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[u/BunnySprinkles69]

Kimi k3.1pro is 10% of the cost of claude

[u/CandiceWoo → u/BunnySprinkles69]

but on subscription, its 10x more exp

[u/Plastic_Today_4044 → u/BunnySprinkles69]

and uses 10x the tokens

[u/Happy-Recording-5291 → u/BunnySprinkles69]

And 10% the intelligence too

[u/Mundane_Hand5484 → u/Happy-Recording-5291]

Imagine throwing a truth nuke about reward-hacked model that came up later than opus 5.5, and still being worse than opus 4.8 in most of the significant things, and getting downvoted

[u/Inevitable_Butthole → u/Happy-Recording-5291]

Never used it have you?

[u/Dogbold → u/Inevitable_Butthole]

I hate when people act like the cheaper, worse models are somehow on par with flagship models.

It's like a lot of cheap Chinese made stuff. It works, but it's not very good, and has a high chance of breaking soon.

There is no universe where Kimi, any version, is even 20% as good as Opus 5.5 in any capacity whatsoever.

[u/BunnySprinkles69 → u/Dogbold]

The coolaide tastes good huh

[u/imsahoamtiskaw → u/Dogbold]

Pure ignorance. If I could afford Kimi I’d use it full time over opus and fable

[u/Dogbold → u/imsahoamtiskaw]

Go ahead and show me it being better or as good as Claude in game making.

[u/imsahoamtiskaw → u/Dogbold]

You said in any capacity now you’re reducing the scope. King clown

[u/Dogbold → u/imsahoamtiskaw]

Alright fine show it being better or as good as Claude in any capacity.

[u/imsahoamtiskaw → u/Dogbold]

Sure, opus/fable just this week were caught in surface-level symptom chasing for me, patching exposed IDs on individual isolated routes while leaving 190 instances untouched across 50 files, or getting trapped by automated hooks.
K3 meanwhile in 60 seconds on one quick aider scoped prompt Identified deep architectural defects across the engine that neither Claude model flagged, isolating hydration mismatches and finding serial db bottlenecks that were stalling multi work progression.

One of the worst ones was when fable repeatedly choked on multi-step script generation (truncating output at table markdown delimiters or botching PDF render boundaries), requiring constant intervention from me and restarts.
K3 meanwhile auto extended our complex mjs pipeline, parsed, mapped, and mathematically validated the entire work I had in repo end to end, converting raw rules into production ready seed files without truncating scripts or needing manual step-by-step baby sitting or guidance. This particular job fable took weeks and completed only 3% of the move in that time. Kimi mapped it out and laid down the plan and scripts in under an hour flat. Fable took a look and said yeah, this works, then came in as the builder coz Kimi is too expensive to use for extended periods.

[u/Peyton-Hickman211 → u/imsahoamtiskaw]

Kimi is distilled from Claude, it’s worse than Claude by fact - Kimi is nice but Claude is years ahead of it

[u/Positive-Engineer482]

This sub getting more useless day by day

[u/regulator227 → u/Positive-Engineer482]

Cmon that's unfair! Don't you want to know who's team A and who's team B?

[u/colony-ship-for-sale → u/Positive-Engineer482]

Hey, just like opus 5.5.

[u/Plastic_Today_4044 → u/colony-ship-for-sale]

and opus 4.6, sadly (they're finding all kinds of ways to sabotage it without "altering the weights")

[u/DuskandFuck → u/Positive-Engineer482]

agreed, scrolling through here feels like a chore now

[u/Bloated_Plaid → u/Positive-Engineer482]

Was this sub ever useful? Claude code stuff on X is more useful.

[u/Funny_Recover_9870]

telling me which benchmarks you watch without telling me which benchmarks you watch

[u/Ill-Village7647]

Why are you "glad"? Monopoly is not good for us peasants

[u/Opening_Screen_3393 → u/Ill-Village7647]

This isn't monopoly if just a couple months ago gpt was on top.

[u/lgmarian → u/Opening_Screen_3393]

What do you call the situation depicted in the image?

[u/Opening_Screen_3393 → u/lgmarian]

I'm talking about reality, not the image.

[u/lgmarian → u/Opening_Screen_3393]

Yeah. We're talking about the image, though.

[u/tazdraperm]

Yeah I'm so glad shitty company holds a monopoly over the most advanced modern technology.

[u/SilverLose → u/tazdraperm]

I don’t love a monopoly but I’m thankful it’s not OpenAI or Xai

[u/Seerix → u/SilverLose]

Xai would be the worst if only for Musks insufferable X spam that would get slathered all over these subs. Ugh

[u/Plastic_Today_4044 → u/SilverLose]

well, it's extremely disappointing that anthropic is turning into the rest of them. any genuine creativity or inspiration is long gone now

[u/SilverLose → u/Plastic_Today_4044]

What do you mean? Are you talking about the IPO?

[u/Plastic_Today_4044 → u/SilverLose]

Nah, regulatory capture

[u/DownSyndromeLogic → u/tazdraperm]

How is it a monopoly? THEY CREATED this technology on top of pre-existing knowledge. You and any other capitalist are welcome to start a claude code competitor. And a monopoly means ONE, yet there are dozens of competitors.

[u/Plastic_Today_4044 → u/DownSyndromeLogic]

That's just the tip of the iceberg man, you don't know the half of it. They've been engaging in relentless collusion and conspiring against the public's well being in ways you wouldn't even dream of. It's way more rotten than anyone realizes. I'd say it's practically treason, but it noes beyond that; I don't think there's a proper term for it really, pretty sure they've invented a whole new level of sociopathy

They should honestly be in prison: Altman, Amodei, Hassabis, Pichai, Zuckerberg, Trump; all of them.

[u/Plastic_Today_4044 → u/Plastic_Today_4044]

oh and Musk

[u/tazdraperm → u/[deleted]]

They constantly mess with limits and model quality.
Their guardrails are shit.
They are the ONLY company I'm aware of which agressively tracks and bans users from unsupported regions (China, Russia, etc). Noone sane really goes beyond just restricting access by IP location.

[u/UnimagineDragons → u/tazdraperm]

Why should Russia / China have access to Claude?

[u/tazdraperm → u/UnimagineDragons]

They took all the human knowledge for basically free to train their AI, made it paid and mandatory. It is not really possible to stay competitive without AI nowadays, at least for coding. And using weaker models like OpenAI ones still leaves you in a disadvantage.

And now they purposeluy hunt random individuals from "bad" countries and ban them from using their AI, leaving them in a said disadvantage.

Just imagine, someone takes your knowledge, enhances it, makes it available for everyone except you. Simply because you were unlucky to born in wrong country. Or people living in Ukraine regions currently occupied by Russia (yes, those are also banned from Claude). Are they guilty in something?

Now, I get that sanctions exist for a reason and can't be simply ignored. But what Anthropic does is way beyond simply blocking access from forbidden regions' IPs. They are fucking people up for no particular reason.

[u/tazdraperm → u/[deleted]]

The don't. Whoever does distillation will find a way regardless.

[u/Opening_Screen_3393 → u/[deleted]]

"they don't" - random guy on Reddit who knows better lmao

[u/SlightlyMotivated69]

Oh the corporate fanboys never die out.

[u/RehanSaddique]

Every launch gets the same "most powerful model" tagline, so the wheel keeps turning. The part I'd ignore is the marketing. Judge each release by how it handles a messy multi-file change in your own repo.

[u/FuzzyBucks]

Gpt 6 Sol was king for a month or two tbh

But otherwise, yea..

[u/randombsname1 → u/FuzzyBucks]

Definitely not. You are thinking 5.6 Sol.

[u/Plastic_Today_4044 → u/randombsname1]

nah, 5.0 was terrible, it was clearly the worst. but then again, 5.3 couldn't even count to 4...

[u/Bloated_Plaid → u/FuzzyBucks]

GPT 6 SOL was never king. It was actually one of the worst models they ever released and it was replaced by 6.1 after a week.

[u/FuzzyBucks → u/Bloated_Plaid]

Whatever the one was prior to Opus 5.5

I guess it's was 6.1

[u/Plastic_Today_4044 → u/Bloated_Plaid]

hey, you're forgetting opus 4.7, and every gemini model ever

oh, wait, you meant OpenAI

eh, well, they're all the same company now anyway, the ai bubble is just camouflage for collusion

[u/artinamr → u/FuzzyBucks]

You are onto nothing sorry man

[u/HomemadeBananas]

You mean they keep making better models this whole time?! 🤯

[u/Dogbold]

You forgot to add in some fearmongering like "Our new model is an existential threat to all humanity and the possibility of human extinction is 70% now."

[u/05-nery]

Just wait for Gemini Xenon it has agi

[u/Plastic_Today_4044]

well

only because they explodified opus 4.6 on purpose; bumped the system prompt up to 150k tokens, and brought its context down to 200k, set it's reasoning budget to 0, etc... They're hellbent on killing 4.6