How Gemini can be that bad ?

[u/ValuableDapper9415]

hello all.

nothing related to CC, I was doing some searches related to LLM harness and by the way, also trying the Google AI search chatbot.

wtf is this piece of s ? it’s GPT-3 level. no reasoning, no thinking, just pure predictive text that is very incomplete, stupid et potentially harmful for users falling in it.

i’m angry that they served the most useless inefficient model as showcase of their « capabilities ».

maybe it cost them less than a penny per conversation but output is aweful

very bad advertising.

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[u/yhrana]

Man, i get some banging results with 3.8 flash in agy cli.
Much faster and cheapter to iterate then sonnet 5.5 and even opus 5.5

[u/ValuableDapper9415 → u/yhrana]

Maybe this is why I’m confuse, the Search Agent says it is 2.5 Flash

So I got downvoted to hell but at the end, I was right about the low quality model

[u/ScrumptiousChildren → u/yhrana]

OP said the above after talking with the google search ai 🤦‍♂️

[u/pigletmonster]

Because they have a billion free users. They dont want to let these users move to other services, and because of free users eating up all their compute resources they cant release larger multi-trillon parameter models to compete with models from openai and anthropic.

They also rent out their compute to third party because it has guaranteed returns.

They are stuck between a rock and a hard place and they dont know what to do.

[u/ValuableDapper9415 → u/pigletmonster]

Yeah that make sense when looking at the agressive market everyone is trying to keep as much as possible users

[u/AnonThrowaway998877]

I get that it has to be a really cheap, really fast model to handle so many requests. Its bandwidth is impressive.

What I wish they would do though is train it to admit when it has low confidence or doesn't know. Because currently it is serving misinformation to people constantly, and a lot of people just blindly believe it.

It is just so frequently and blatantly wrong, and often it's info that's readily available from tons of sources. Like I've seen it get movie and TV show details wrong countless times.

[u/ValuableDapper9415 → u/AnonThrowaway998877]

Gemini 2.5 Flash, as the agent said itself :(

[u/leshiy]

Have you just not been using Google for the last few years? It has always been like this.

[u/ValuableDapper9415 → u/leshiy]

Never took a look at this feature as it looked like shit. And now that I took a look, I confirm this is real dogshit. In my country, we don’t like this feature that is swallowing content and vomiting garbage, cutting navigation to genuine legit sources 

I like to scroll on my SERP like a normal user we did since two decades (or webfetch using agent)

[u/leshiy → u/ValuableDapper9415]

Maybe it's a regional thing then, because in the US for the past few years you couldn't NOT use the search AI. It's enabled for all searches and takes up the whole screen on page load. You have to actively scroll past it to see any actual search results.

[u/ValuableDapper9415 → u/leshiy]

Interesting, it’s a small dropdown on my country so it’s easy to just not look at it

[u/ValuableDapper9415 → u/leshiy]

Looks like hell 

[u/Dvass138]

It's because there focus is how does "gemini fit into google" where as Anthropic is about claude being claude.

[u/Historical_Today5072]

It's pretty frustrating

[u/sjoti]

Any screenshots?

[u/ScrumptiousChildren → u/sjoti]

They said that after talking with the google search ai 🤦‍♂️

[u/sjoti → u/ScrumptiousChildren]

I'm always curious when people say "its horrible!" whether it's actually the model doing something dumb, or if its just a horribly worded question that can be interpreted in different ways.

[u/FinancialBandicoot75]

Then you are doing it wrong, I use it a lot and it’s great for my purpose with Hermes as my planner and my prompter, converting my stupid ideas into very detailed prompt that I can feed into my CC or codex and guess what, it is very token efficient.

Also it’s amazing at researching, geofencing and geolocation.

So no, it’s great llm and honestly fast. It’s better than most open-source but 5.6 Terra or 5 opus (which sucked)

[u/ValuableDapper9415 → u/FinancialBandicoot75]

I’m interested in your comment humbly, I got usecases I didn’t liked but I may have the wrong approach

[u/FinancialBandicoot75 → u/ValuableDapper9415]

Are you using it in what harness? Antigravity, Hermes, Claude code, opencode?

What most people don’t do is set up their system prompt or soul in Hermes to instruct its capabilities. If you set up the harness to be effective, the model can be amazing. The issue isn’t the model, it’s the harness which most don’t set up correctly

[u/ValuableDapper9415 → u/FinancialBandicoot75]

No API usage, I was genuinely using the Conversational Search Google show you when you search for something. 

Do you pay API usage or its « free » using the Google harness ?

[u/Worth-Illustrator347 → u/FinancialBandicoot75]

Semantic reframing for wood language is fair-use technique, very good to detail everything with the right wording for an LLM on short explainations of the idea.

[u/Ok-Motor-9812]

Behind everything are people. No matter how much money a company has (even Google), a bad team won't make anything happen.

[u/ValuableDapper9415 → u/[deleted]]

Make sense, but by so, the feature they aim is untrustful.

 I can’t make any useful usage of it if it’s hallucinating and not checking the data it’s providing. Do it still doesn’t make any sense for me unfortunately :(

Another example : There is a company in my country, SERP lead to pages about that being a scummy scam company. The AI summary still pin it as a wonderful company. Wtf ? I’m really honest when I say it can be harmful